RCMP Interrogation of Patrick Fox (2019-04-04)
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Warned statement of Patrick FOX
Burnaby File
2019-10877
Statement Date:
2019/04/04
Statement Time:
1428 hours
- Potts:Cst. Jason POTTS
- Fox:Patrick FOX
- CellGuard:Cell guard
- UF:Unknown female
- UM:Unknown male
Interview conducted by Corporal Jason POTTS, Reg. #57140.
Corrected by Corporal Jason Potts between July 19, 2019 and July 29 2019.
Video recording of the entire entire interrogation
1.
Potts:
It's Constable POTTS, Burnaby RCMP, regimental 57140. It's 1428 hours on April 4th, 2019, um, t-taking a statement from Patrick FOX, in relation to Burnaby file 2019-10877. Mr. FOX was arrested today, by Constable HAWKINS, for three counts of failing to comply with his probation order. I'm also gonna let him know that he's under investigation by the Vancouver Police for uh, suspected of breaching probation by creating a website. Uh, he did not want to speak to legal counsel. He is currently in his cell, I'm just gonna go and get him and I'm bringing, bringing my audio recorder.
2.
(Constable POTTS exits interview room).
3.
(Pause).
4.
Potts:
Are you able to pull him out, I'll just stand over here.
5.
CellGuard:
(Inaudible). (Pause). Hey Patrick (indecipherable) please, thank you. (Pause). Come on out Patrick.
6.
Fox:
Can you get some toilet paper and maybe something to eat? Maybe some coffee?
7.
Potts:
Patrick...
8.
Fox:
Yeah, I prefer FOX, I think we're on a first name basis.
9.
Potts:
(Inaudible), okay FOX.
10.
Fox:
You did testify against me?
11.
Potts:
I did.
12.
Fox:
Yes.
13.
Potts:
Yes-yes-yes. Do you want to uh, take your booties?
14.
Fox:
Uh, lovely. Oh, oh that's not coffee.
15.
Potts:
Do you want some coffee?
16.
Fox:
I would love some.
17.
Potts:
Okay, I can make a request, uh...
18.
Fox:
Thank you.
19.
Potts:
Stay here.
20.
Fox:
Which way.
21.
Potts:
Straight ahead.
22.
Fox:
Oh um, need some toilet paper, I'm getting over a cold so my...
23.
Potts:
Are you? Okay.
24.
Fox:
...(inaudible), still got (inaudible)...
25.
Potts:
Actually I can get some Kleenex and uh, I think I'm gonna, I'm getting a cold as well. And then through here. (Pause). And in, into these right, whoop, sorry, it will be right, here.
26.
(Constable POTTS and Patrick FOX enter interview room).
27.
Potts:
In the corner, right there. (Pause). Uh...
28.
Fox:
Is there a trash bin to throw them?
29.
Potts:
Uh, just throw them, right on the floor.
30.
Fox:
(Indecipherable).
31.
Potts:
Yeah, there you go. Perfect. Uh, so, then coffee, let me see if I can get us a coffee. Uh (pause), is it black?
32.
Fox:
Yep.
33.
Potts:
Black. Okay. (Pause). How are you doing?
34.
Fox:
Uh, well, I've got two countries, both of which are saying I'm not a citizen of that country and was born in the other country, but I've got CBSA with their heads up their asses going we're gonna do whatever Homeland Security tells us. Um, so they're allowing Homeland Security to deport me here, even though I've got documentation from IRCC and CBSA saying I'm not a Canadian citizen, so I've been better.
35.
Potts:
Yeah, so uh, as for...
36.
Fox:
Oh and as for these breaches, oh, please, what a joke. Sorry, go on.
37.
Potts:
Um, yeah, we, obviously we went through this before, um, you mentioned there that I testified against you...
38.
Fox:
Yeah.
39.
Potts:
...and all that. There's no hard feelings, I was asked today...
40.
Fox:
You're doing your job, I know.
41.
Potts:
...uh, yeah, so...
42.
Fox:
MYHRE is the one I have a hard feelings against. That guy is just a dick.
43.
Potts:
Yeah?
44.
Fox:
I hope he gets throat cancer, but...
45.
Potts:
Okay. Uh, so no hard feelings, um...
46.
Fox:
(Chuckles).
47.
Potts:
...I was asked (chuckles), I'm sorry buddy, um, I was asked to come today, this morning, if I could. I do a lot of interviews for Burnaby, which is what I told you back in 2016...
48.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
49.
Potts:
...um...
50.
Fox:
And you specialize in children, sexually assaulted...
51.
Potts:
Yeah.
52.
Fox:
...children.
53.
Potts:
Good memory. I, well...
54.
Fox:
(Inaudible) recordings.
55.
Potts:
...I specialize in, sorry-sorry, investigating...
56.
Fox:
Oh yes.
57.
Potts:
...huh, investigating, uh, that, so uh, um, but I mean we went through this before so I do have to tell you some stuff, obviously uh...
58.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
59.
Potts:
...you're well-versed on uh, all this, I, I-I was told that you were studying uh, quite a bit, preparing obviously for your, for your trial back in 2016, so...
60.
Fox:
Yup.
61.
Potts:
...um, obviously, just so you know, we're being audio and video-recorded right now...
62.
Fox:
I wouldn't do it any other way.
63.
Potts:
...perfect. Um, you, just like uh, Constable HAWKINS told you, uh, you don't have to say anything to me, and anything you say can be given in evidence...
64.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
65.
Potts:
...just like in 2016.
66.
Fox:
Hmm, hmm, hopefully not like that.
67.
Potts:
Well hopefully not, but I'm saying, saying I'm kind of...
68.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
69.
Potts:
...I'm having a bit of uh, flashbacks to uh, you and I sitting, you had a little, you had a little more facial hair back then...
70.
Fox:
Surprisingly.
71.
Potts:
...and I probably have a lot less hair on top.
72.
Fox:
Surprisingly, I was held in (ICE) custody, the exact same amount of time this time.
73.
Potts:
Was it really?
74.
Fox:
Two and a half weeks, yeah.
75.
Potts:
Really, wow. Is that like a standard thing for them or...
76.
Fox:
Nope.
77.
Potts:
...no? Just a coincidence?
78.
Fox:
Both the last time and this time they couldn't get a travel document from the Canadian government so what they did, was they got the, they convinced the RCMP to request that I be brought back here for questioning. Previously it was about the firearms, this time it's about the probation violations.
79.
Potts:
Okay. Um, so I am a police officer...
80.
Fox:
Yes, you are.
81.
Potts:
...obviously you know that. Um, uh, I was asked, like I said, to come and speak with you today. Um, I know there has been a bunch of officers that have probably spoken to you, jail or, you know correction-not corrections, sorry, uh, like the customs guys, the US n-uh, Homeland Security...
82.
Fox:
Yeah, totally different, they're US.
83.
Potts:
...totally, yeah, totally, but I just wanna get, make sure, if anyone's made any promises to you, of any kind of, you know favour...
84.
Fox:
Just coffee.
85.
Potts:
...yeah, and that's not a problem, that's, I'm just giving you that 'cause...
86.
Fox:
Hmm.
87.
Potts:
...I'll drink a coffee with you. That, I'm not giving you...
88.
Fox:
The other officer, the female that came down to uh, the border to pick me up...
89.
Potts:
...oh, she promised you a coffee.
90.
Fox:
Well she didn't say promise but she said yes-yes, I'll get us a coffee, I'll get us both a coffee because I c-I could use a coffee too, she said.
91.
Potts:
Yes, well I'll get us a coffee, I'm, I'm sure someone'll get us a coffee, um, but I want to make sure that if anyone's made any promises to you...
92.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
93.
Potts:
...and, you know that, if, if you, if we promise you this and we, you're gonna return the favour, uh, but as far as, I'll give you an example, if I give if Kirsty...
94.
Fox:
I would take it with a grain of salt.
95.
Potts:
...yeah...
96.
Fox:
Um...
97.
Potts:
...if Kirsty was, say I'll get you a coffee if you talk to Constable POTTS...
98.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
99.
Potts:
...has any of that happened, where someone's promised you something if you speak to me today?
100.
Fox:
Mm mmm.
101.
Potts:
Perfect. And then on the flip side, has anyone threatened you, threatened any kind of violence of any kind of repercussions if you don't talk to me today?
102.
Fox:
No.
103.
Potts:
Perfect. Okay, do you understand all that?
104.
Fox:
Yup.
105.
Potts:
Okay. Uh, do you know why you're here?
106.
Fox:
Um, yes, because Mark MYHRE is a dick.
107.
Potts:
(Chuckles), okay.
108.
Fox:
Now, more specifically, um, he (sighs), approved some uh, breaches of probation for me um, some specific conditions that, I openly admit I did violate. And the reason I violated them, hang on let me chew...
109.
Potts:
Sure. (Pause). I'll just check and see if we're getting our coffees too. That's all- that's alright.
110.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
111.
Potts:
Um, one black (pause), uh, perfect.
112.
Fox:
So, there are two conditions in particular, one is that I not go within a hundred meters of the US border, the other one is that I not leave British Columbia. It's well established by this point, uh, by everybody, or with everybody except for MYHRE and my ex-wife, that um, I'm not a Canadian citizen, I don't have status in Canada, I've got documentation to prove all of this, on my phone, and in um, my laptop bag out there, um, and I have no authorization to be in Canada. So by remaining in Canada, I'm breaking the law. Um, so I have this probation condition that says I can't leave. But if I stay, I'm breaking the law, which it's my understanding, um, at least in the US, a court cannot order somebody to do something that would compel them or force them to break the law. Therefore, that probation condition, cannot stand, it-it has to be removed. Um, either that or IRCC has to grant me some kind of status, in Canada. Um, MYHRE keeps coming to court at these probation hearings, 'cause I keep trying to have that condition removed, he keeps showing up saying that oh, all the evidence I've seen uh, supports the fact that you're a Canadian citizen. And I say what evidence? You're not coming with evidence, you're coming with, you're just talking. And of course the judge is believing everything that he says and I come with evidence from IRCC and the Ministry of Social Development, and it all clearly states that I have no status in Canada. None, at all.
113.
Potts:
Okay.
114.
Fox:
Judge doesn't care. So on the 14th, I had another hearing to try to remove that condition, I even brought recordings of my telephone conversations with CBSA and with IRCC, and in those recordings, they clearly state that I have no status in Canada. Um, the judge then, says that I'm trying to manipulate the system and that I am playing games, uh, the way I was talking to them on the phone or something, and I'm thinking to myself, wait a second, I'm coming with clear, concrete proof, of, of my claims. MYHRE's coming with, just like vague elusions and suggestions about stuff, I mean who the hell's playing games. So, she denied the request again and I went okay, this is just bullshit, this is, this is fucking insane, am I supposed to stay here for three years and be homeless and not work or anything?
115.
Potts:
Yeah.
116.
Fox:
And spend every day wondering if CBSA's gonna come and arrest me and hold me for fifteen months today? So, that was it. I reached the point where I said okay, this is just insane, I mean. I tried to play along for two and a half months, I requested the hearings, I had the hearings, I brought the evidence, so that's, those two probation conditions.
117.
Potts:
Okay.
118.
Fox:
Um, I believe that uh...
119.
Potts:
I should, sorry, yeah, I want to tell you one more thing. Um, so there's the three obviously. You're also under investigation, um, and I've learned of all this today...
120.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
121.
Potts:
...uh, brought in for, just 'cause I do a lot of interviews...
122.
Fox:
Uh huh.
123.
Potts:
...um, you're also under investigation by the Vancouver Police...
124.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
125.
Potts:
...um...
126.
Fox:
For what?
127.
Potts:
...did, did they tell you this?
128.
Fox:
Nope.
129.
Potts:
The, okay, so you're under investigation by the Vancouver Police for another, for another breach, um, for relating to the website desicapuano.com
130.
Fox:
Hmm. Sure.
131.
Potts:
Okay. So...
132.
Fox:
But wouldn't that be...
133.
Potts:
...just so, I just want to let you know, so we, same rules apply, in this r-in this room, that anything you say...
134.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
135.
Potts:
...you know, you are, so you don't have to say anything. Uh, anything you say can be given in evidence, but just want to be full fair and frank that you are...
136.
Fox:
Yeah.
137.
Potts:
...also under investigation for that.
138.
Fox:
Yeah that's fine, um, but why would that be Vancouver Police, why wouldn't be you guys again?
139.
Potts:
Because, so uh, I guess you were residing in Vancouver? Is that, it's correct, you were living, this is Vancouver?
140.
Fox:
Well I was staying at the homeless shelter, yeah.
141.
Potts:
Yeah. Uh, I-I think it's because they looked at it first, it came in, wherever their uh, complaint that you'd, that the web-sorry, that the website had been created...
142.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
143.
Potts:
...and then then boom, they look at...
144.
Fox:
Hmm.
145.
Potts:
...where he's living...
146.
Fox:
(Indecipherable).
147.
Potts:
...it's in that jurisdiction, VPD starts a file. That's how it kinda starts.
148.
Fox:
Yeah, that's fine.
149.
Potts:
Um, so I just want to let you know...
150.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
151.
Potts:
...uh, everything else that's going on. Um, I haven't thought of you since, uh, I haven't heard of your name or...
152.
Fox:
Really?
153.
Potts:
...probably since way back.
154.
Fox:
I've thought of you.
155.
Potts:
Have you really?
156.
Fox:
I thought of everybody who's been involved in my case...
157.
Potts:
Oh.
158.
Fox:
...and me being...
159.
Potts:
I can understand that...
160.
Fox:
...convicted of criminal harassment.
161.
Potts:
...yeah...
162.
Fox:
And...
163.
Potts:
...I deal with a lot of files though so, it's...
164.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
165.
Potts:
...a bit different, but uh, uh, what have you been thinking about? This is not...
166.
Fox:
I'd rather not say.
167.
Potts:
No? Really? We...
168.
Fox:
Yeah.
169.
Potts:
...I, uh-I, I didn't think we had uh, I mean obviously, hopefully not as...
170.
Fox:
All you...
171.
Potts:
...bad as, as you feel that your thought towards me are, or, Mark MYHRE?
172.
Fox:
Um, no definitely not, no-no, um, you see because MYHRE was leading all of this, he was the one that was orchestrating all of this nonsense, including with Lagemat, to suppress all this evidence and such, um, i-you were just there saying about what was said, during the uh, the interview, which was kind of pointless and a waste of time, because it was there in the recording, I mean...
173.
Potts:
Usually the way it is.
174.
Fox:
...and I think you'll catch it in the recording being played, so.
175.
Potts:
Yeah, that's often the way it is, they gotta get it on the record, but uh...
176.
Fox:
Hmm.
177.
Potts:
...we just have to go and listen to uh, sometimes I'll go there, and they'll play the whole recording...
178.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
179.
Potts:
...and I won't have to say a word, uh, it's just to get it on the record, I'm there basically if, uh, I hear something that's, you know, incorrect word or what, or whatnot, um, among-amongst other reasons. (Pause). Um (sighs), so do you have, like this is a, could be a platform for you if you want to, is there something you want to say, like as far as, I mean you've kind of (inaudible)...
180.
Fox:
Other than MYHRE is a dick?
181.
Potts:
...other than Mark MYHRE is a...
182.
Fox:
Right.
183.
Potts:
...dick, like what happened on March 15th, that's the day you got arrested at the border right?
184.
Fox:
Um, I wouldn't say I was arrested at the border.
185.
Potts:
Or sorry. I should say, taken into custody. Taken...
186.
Fox:
But understand that, I had first gone to the CBSA office at peace, Peace Arch...
187.
Potts:
Yeah.
188.
Fox:
...and I told them that I intend to, to leave, I'm going back to America, um, and I just want to know if Homeland Security contacts you, in like an hour or something, um, and asks about my status, are you gonna continue to play these stupid games where you say oh yes, as far as we're concerned, he's a Canadian citizen and you can deport him here, or are you gonna finally stop with that nonsense and say that no, he's not Canadian and we're not going to accept him. So then I sat down while they investigated and stuff, and then the woman calls me over to the counter and says um, oh as far as we're concerned you're a Canadian citizen, and uh, you'll always be admitted back to Canada. And I said n-what are you basing this on, I mean IRCC themselves have said, you see the documents right there, and she said, oh well we checked with California. And I say, but California has no authority to, to determine if I'm a Canadian citizen or not. Anyway, that's the kind of stupid bullshit...
189.
Potts:
Yeah.
190.
Fox:
...that I've been dealing with. So, then she tried to talk me into just staying, and she said well uh, Homeland Security is not gonna let you enter the country anyway, because you have no documents to prove your citizenship, and I said yeah, that's fine, that's an issue for Homeland Security to deal with and so, I said look I'm leaving, forget it, I'm walking across the, the border and. So, when I got to (sighs), the CBP counter, like uh, Customs and Border Protection on the US side, um, I told them, that my name is Patrick FOX, I used to go by Richard REESE, um, I was deported a few times, uh, there's an Order of Removal. Um, I'm not trying to hide anything, I'm not trying to conceal anything, I'm not trying to sneak in the country or anything, here I am, I'm a US citizen, please just figure out what the hell is going on, you and the Canadian authorities, and fix this, so I can get on with my life. Um, they tried to talk me into walking back as well, they kept saying, oh but the border's right there, it's just twenty mi- or just twenty feet over there, wouldn't you rather just go back and be free? And I said no, I want to go before an immigration judge. I've got this proof now, from the Canadian government, that I'm not the person I was deported as, the person that you guys were saying I am, um, and so I would like to present this now, in court, to show them this is not me.
191.
Potts:
Okay.
192.
(Pause).
193.
Fox:
And so, that's what happened at the border.
194.
Potts:
Okay.
195.
Fox:
I insisted, um, and then they tried to talk me into applying for asylum, and I said but that's ridiculous, I mean, like yes I feel, or I believe that I was persecuted in Canada with this whole bullshit about the website and all, because it's free speech and I mean, here you've got this psycho bitch in Arizona, making these claims that uh, oh, I'm afraid for my life you know, he's gonna come here and kill me, but then she's laughing and joking with the RCMP. You heard the recording, right?
196.
Potts:
Uh, I-I didn't, but I-I only...
197.
Fox:
It's publicly available...
198.
Potts:
...yeah.
199.
Fox:
...it's on the website, huh.
200.
Potts:
Oh is it? Okay.
201.
Fox:
Everything is on the website.
202.
Potts:
Is it really, oh how...
203.
Fox:
I didn't publish it.
204.
Potts:
...yes, okay. Um...
205.
Fox:
And I'm only prevented from publishing, disseminating, or distributing information about CAPUANO, PENDLETON, and SAGE. I'm not, um, prohibited from continuing to create and maintain the website, say on my own laptop, and, as long as I don't publish it, or make it publicly available.
206.
Potts:
Okay.
207.
Fox:
My position is, whatever is on the internet right now, I didn't put it there, so.
208.
Potts:
Okay. How um, you probably remember I'm, even though I'm thirty-five, uh, my tech skills are horrible...
209.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
210.
Potts:
...and you're obviously a very, very techie guy, so I don't understand, kind of, what you mean by that...
211.
Fox:
Hmm.
212.
Potts:
...um, you-'cause I don't, I don't, I don't, I've never built a website or anything...
213.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
214.
Potts:
...technology, like you said you (pause), you, you have those materials, but you're not the one uploading it, is that what you mean?
215.
Fox:
I and other people have those materials. I've had them, I've had them before, since I as released, um...
216.
Potts:
Yeah.
217.
Fox:
...Crown was saying oh there's no way you could have this stuff, well, I do, obviously, I mean it's on the internet now.
218.
Potts:
Well why wouldn't you have it, 'cause you're defence, I'm confused.
219.
Fox:
No, no, I know but um, they gave it to me on a hard drive, and I had to give them back to them, later.
220.
Potts:
Oh, you...
221.
Fox:
And I was telling them, but I got my own copy from other sources.
222.
Potts:
Okay.
223.
Fox:
And they say, no there's no way that that could happen, nobody in the RCMP or in the Crown's office, whatever, give you a copy of the disclosure material.
224.
(Pause).
225.
Potts:
Okay.
226.
Fox:
Jack-off. Him, Mark Myhre.
227.
Potts:
How did you get you're, are you.
228.
Fox:
I'm not gonna tell you that.
229.
Potts:
No?
230.
Fox:
No.
231.
Potts:
Okay. I'm curious.
232.
Fox:
'Cause first of all, if I did tell you that...
233.
Potts:
Yeah.
234.
Fox:
...um, then the person who assisted me with it would probably lose her job.
235.
(Sound of knocking on door).
236.
Potts:
Okay. (Pause).
237.
(Sound of door opening).
238.
Potts:
Oh sweet. (Pause). Okay, these are two blacks?
239.
UF:
These are blacks.
240.
Potts:
Okay, we'll uh (pause), this is two blacks, tell me what you think of it.
241.
Fox:
Thank you.
242.
Potts:
Alright, there's one more.
243.
UF:
Welcome.
244.
(Sound of door closing).
245.
Fox:
Gee, last time you brought me Tim Horton's.
246.
Potts:
I know. Times are tough (chuckles).
247.
Fox:
I guess that was a bigger charge and investigation, well...
248.
Potts:
No, it, w-you know what it was, it was, had more resources, I guess, available...
249.
Fox:
Hmm.
250.
Potts:
...to do that, but, we could maybe get Timmy's if this really sucks (chuckles).
251.
Fox:
But that definitely was a much bigger investigation because you guys actually sent...
252.
Potts:
Oh yeah.
253.
Fox:
...constables down to, or, and a corporal, down to LA and Arizona.
254.
Potts:
Yeah.
255.
Fox:
So clearly somebody was really trying to stick it to me. Kinda like how they're trying to stick it to me now, bringing me back here from the US for probation violations. Come on. (Pause). It's fuckin' ridiculous.
256.
Potts:
I don't know man, I'm, I'm so far behind, because I literally, I work in, I actually switched units, I'm in Serious Crime Unit now...
257.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
258.
Potts:
...um, but because I do so many interviews they brought me in, so I literally did not know anything until this, 'til...
259.
Fox:
That's what you said last time...
260.
Potts:
...this morning. I know, it's all true. I'm on the interview team here in Burnaby...
261.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
262.
Potts:
...so it's quite, it is quite often that we get pulled in to, to speak to people. Um, but uh, well, what were we talki-we were talking about, oh yeah, the uh, uh publishing mandate, oh yeah.
263.
Fox:
Publishing the material.
264.
Potts:
I'm very, I know you're not gonna tell me but I'm very curious to know where you, or you said someone would lose their job but...
265.
Fox:
Of course, yeah. I mean, if there was somebody in the Crown's Office or the Ministry of Justice, and/or the RCMP who had obtained and provided me copies of the material, of course they would lose their job.
266.
Potts:
Are you talking about the statements, and...
267.
Fox:
Everything.
268.
Potts:
...uh, okay.
269.
Fox:
All the RCMP RTCCs, all the RCMP, the audio recordings and video- recordings of all of the RCMP interviews, um, even CAPUANO's victim impact statement that the Crown didn't want me to have a copy of and the judge said that they're not gonna provide me a copy of, and I said, but the Criminal Code requires that I the defendant, get a copy of it.
270.
Potts:
Yeah.
271.
Fox:
And they still refused. I got that. I've got the recordings from my psych assessments and (pause), what else.
272.
Potts:
Did you get it all, when, after your release, or while you were in custody?
273.
Fox:
Well, all the stuff that was available prior to my release, I got, prior to, but like the psych assessment didn't happen until after I was released.
274.
Potts:
Okay, and you got a copy of that?
275.
Fox:
An actual recording of, yeah, the whole thing.
276.
Potts:
Okay.
277.
(Pause).
278.
Fox:
Um, but no I'm not going to give any information about how I got it or who gave it to me or. Um (pause), what was I going to say, oh yeah, so the thing about the publishing of the website, um, okay so a website is, think of a website like a book...
279.
Potts:
Yeah.
280.
Fox:
...um, and so think of it as, I'm, the probation condition would say okay you're not allowed to publish any books, um, but that doesn't prohibit me from writing a book on my laptop, with the expectation that once the probation is finished in two years and eight months...
281.
Potts:
Yeah.
282.
Fox:
...uh, then I can go ahead and publish it. Or once I get deported, or leave thecountry or something, um, and so instead of a book though, it's a website. So there's nothing in the probation conditions that says that I can't continue to maintain or even create a new website, about the same topic and content, on my own computer, as long as I don't publish it.
283.
Potts:
Okay, I see what you're saying.
284.
Fox:
Now there's nothing in the probation conditions obviously, because there's no way a court would be able to word this, um...
285.
Potts:
Yeah.
286.
Fox:
...that would prohibit any other person in the world from publishing that information.
287.
Potts:
Okay.
288.
Fox:
As long as I am, as long as I don't give a copy of the content or of the website, to the person for the purpose of publishing it, then.
289.
Potts:
So you're basically saying you're, you, you've written something on a computer...
290.
Fox:
I'm not saying I did...
291.
Potts:
...yeah.
292.
Fox:
...I'm saying I could.
293.
Potts:
Okay. Um (pause), so how did all that material get written then, uh, who wrote, who's the, who's um, the author of, um...
294.
Fox:
Hmm.
295.
Potts:
...the latest uh, posts and whatnot.
296.
Fox:
That's not relevant, because the probation condition only pertains to publishing, disseminating or distributing information.
297.
Potts:
Yeah, d-yeah, I'm, I'm still gonna ask you a question...
298.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
299.
Potts:
...(inaudible) if you, uh, uh, I'm still curious to know...
300.
Fox:
Yeah, I decline to answer that.
301.
Potts:
Okay.
302.
Fox:
Sorry I, respectfully decline. Just so you know I'm not declining to be spiteful.
303.
Potts:
Oh that's okay. 'Cause hey remember, no hard feelings about this whole thing right? Even though I, I'm sensing some on your, if you, I uh, I...
304.
Fox:
You know when the last time was that I had any contact with my son? The day before I was arrested. May 26th, 2016.
305.
Potts:
Yeah.
306.
Fox:
You know what that dirty cunt did after I was arrested?
307.
Potts:
Yeah.
308.
Fox:
Cut off all contact...
309.
Potts:
Oh...
310.
Fox:
...even openly said it in her, in h-in her RCMP interviews. She's proud of it...
311.
Potts:
Yeah.
312.
Fox:
...she won.
313.
Potts:
Dude...
314.
Fox:
It's her big victory.
315.
Potts:
...it's like they say, I don't know if you, while you were in for a, bitches be crazy, right? (Chuckles), I think we, I have heard that saying...
316.
Fox:
Yes, yes.
317.
Potts:
Yeah.
318.
Fox:
But, see because of...
319.
Potts:
(Inaudible).
320.
Fox:
...this psycho cunt that everybody thinks that oh she's a poor victim...
321.
Potts:
Yeah.
322.
Fox:
...I lost custody of my son. I got deported to a foreign country that I had no status in, that originally, or initially I was working here illegally, but it wasn't a big deal, because if I got caught, I would just get deported...
323.
Potts:
Yeah.
324.
Fox:
...but I can't work illegally now, because I'm on probation. Um, now, I can go to jail for it, because if I break the law, that's a breach. Um, so, this evil woman, does all this stuff, and then completely cuts off all contact with my son, um, yes there's gonna be hard feelings...
325.
Potts:
Yeah.
326.
Fox:
...and yes this probation bullshit, can go ahead and, and the court and MYHRE can play their games for the next two years and eight months, but after three years it's gonna end and I'm gonna say fuck the court and I'm gonna say fuck MYHRE, I'm gonna say fuck everything else, and I'm going back to my country of origin, and everything goes back to normal.
327.
(Pause).
328.
Potts:
What uh, like what was your, what was your end game, your plan at the border, I know you've kinda spoken, we talked about it a little bit, like...
329.
Fox:
Yes, to go before...
330.
Potts:
...what, do you have a goal, like I just, as you said before, before...
331.
Fox:
...yes, to go before an immigration judge.
332.
Potts:
...and then hope, with hope that you have your evidence to go to the, and live in the states.
333.
Fox:
Okay, here's the thing. I was convicted of perjury, based on the allegation that I am a person named Ricky REESE from Sudbury, Ontario, um, and then I was uh, oh and also the false claim of US citizenship. Um, then I was ordered removed from the United States, based on that conviction, nothing else. They didn't, they, I used just didn't then go, or the, the immigration court didn't say okay, we've determined that you're a Canadian citizen based on this stuff over here, they just said you are convicted of this so you're obviously not a US citizen, that's what uh, the basis of the deportation was. If I come back ten years later, with proof that I'm not that person, that they deported me as, that person that they were insisting that I was, um, is gonna look extremely bad for both the uh, the district, for I mean, how can, how can a US citizen be convicted of false claim of US citizenship, when it would be so simple, so easy for him to, to prove that he's a US citizen. But then you have lawyers like (LEIDEMAT), or, or (EISENBERG), on that perjury case...
334.
Potts:
Mm hmm.
335.
Fox:
...that cooperate with the Crown and, uh, or in the US it would be the US attorney.
336.
Potts:
In uh, (inaudible).
337.
Fox:
Um and refuse to, to show the evidence, that supports what I'm saying. So um, (indecipherable) does not want me to go before a judge, because if I show this evidence that proves that I'm not Ricky REESE from Ontario, um, oh, hey get this, um, MYHRE, apparently contacted Steve REESE, who is Ricky REESE's father, um, in Ontario...
338.
Potts:
Okay.
339.
Fox:
...um, Steve REESE apparently told him that I am his son, Ricky REESE, and that he is willing to do a DNA test to prove that. So when MYHRE sends me this email and I say excellent, I've been bugging you people to get a DNA test for years, don't you remember how many...
340.
Potts:
Yeah.
341.
Fox:
...times I kept saying, why don't you just get a DNA test. Um, even CAPUANO would say oh that's his father, he's willing to do a DNA test. Um, and then when I, when MYHRE sees that that's what I want him to do...
342.
Potts:
Yeah.
343.
Fox:
...all of a sudden, then he's talking about, oh we don't need to do a DNA test, 'cause we have all this other evidence over here. So when I went to court on the 14th, I asked the judge, to order the Crown to request the DNA test from Steve RIESS...
344.
Potts:
Yeah.
345.
Fox:
...and Peggy SAMPOGNA, both of the parents, and the court said that's not gonna happen, that's not relevant in this matter at all. And I'm thinking to myself, how can it not be relevant, because it's, it's directly relevant, because if I have no status in Canada, you can't force me to stay here, I mean it's not legal.
346.
Potts:
Yeah.
347.
Fox:
So. (Pause). You should be able to understand a little bit of the frustration that I'm going through dealing with this...
348.
Potts:
I, I do, (inaudible).
349.
Fox:
...and then I've got this sociopathic ex-wife who, she's crying on the witness stand, but laughing with the RCMP, and she does these news media interviews where she makes everybody feel sorry for her, meanwhile she's walking around, living her life.
350.
Potts:
Yeah.
351.
Fox:
Getting a big kick of it, thinking the whole thing's a joke. She's completely unaffected by the website.
352.
Potts:
I can totally understand, especially not being over that, member, I have a son as well...
353.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
354.
Potts:
...I don't know if you remember that, but uh, yeah, if I wasn't able to see my son I would be, I don't know what I would do, I would be, probably in your shoes, spin- spinning around and trying to figure out. So is that your goal, is obviously, is that what your, your...
355.
Fox:
Oh yes.
356.
Potts:
...your objective is to be with your son, I guess?
357.
Fox:
My, my end game, you were asking what my end game was...
358.
Potts:
Yeah.
359.
Fox:
...when I showed up at the border. Uh, my end game was to get a, a, a hearing in the Immigration Court, before an Immigration judge, to show them this proof that I'm not the person I was deported as. Um, and then from there obviously the perjury conviction would follow. Par-the Order of Removal would fall apart and, so again they would have to vacate those and, um (pause), and then of course, they would not be able to keep sending me up here. Um, but right now there's an Order of Removal, so ICE has the legal authority to remove me to Canada, if Canada will accept me, but this time and the last time, Canada wouldn't accept me, so like I said, what ICE has done is um, gotten the RCMP to request that I be sent back here. Previously it was about the firearms and the...
360.
Potts:
Right, right.
361.
Fox:
...and I don't know if you've seen the disclosure material, but there was actually stuff in there, emails, where um, the US authorities went as far as to say that I had crossed the border with the intention of going to Arizona to murder my ex-wife.
362.
Potts:
Yeah.
363.
Fox:
Uh, where the fuck are you getting this from? Murder my ex-wife. Anyway.
364.
Potts:
I, I've seen some of the website, um...
365.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
366.
Potts:
...just today (chuckles), uh, I looked up...
367.
Fox:
Oh you mean the new website, the one that I had nothing to do with publishing?
368.
Potts:
The new website, yeah.
369.
Fox:
Yeah.
370.
Potts:
That's what I'm talking about. I did see the old one too, but I don't remember anything, really that's well back...
371.
Fox:
Basically the same, just different colour scheme, and it didn't have that whole R V FOX section.
372.
Potts:
Yeah, exactly, okay. Um, yeah, I d-I s-uh, I, there was a lot of material there, that I just kind of went down and saw all like, all the profiles of uh, everyone featured there and uh, I did see my name on there as well and, that's uh...
373.
Fox:
Yeah n...
374.
Potts:
...I even (chuckles).
375.
Fox:
...I don't think it said anything, I think it's just a blank next to you right? There was, I was trying to think like, is there anything I can say, I'm like, mmm, not really...
376.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah.
377.
Fox:
...nah, I think I just said something about um, there's not really anything to say I mean, not that memerable.
378.
Potts:
Yeah. I think it's overwhelmingly...
379.
Fox:
(Chuckles).
380.
Potts:
(Chuckles).
381.
Fox:
(Chuckles), overwhelmingly forgettable.
382.
Potts:
Yeah, (chuckles). So you can imagine I work, uh, at the team, and so we're all, we actually laughed, it was pretty funny.
383.
Fox:
Mh hm.
384.
Potts:
Um, and then also another one, do you remember what you said about Heather?
385.
Fox:
Yup.
386.
Potts:
(Chuckles).
387.
Fox:
Oh wait, no-no-no-no-no-no, oh hang on, the way your phrase that you said...
388.
Potts:
Oh sorry.
389.
Fox:
...do you remember what you said about Heather.
390.
Potts:
Do you remember what is said about Heather?
391.
Fox:
I remember what is said about Heather.
392.
Potts:
Yeah.
393.
Fox:
Yes, uh, or, Miss MONTAGLIANI, or...
394.
Potts:
Miss MONTAGLIANI, yes.
395.
Fox:
I mean yeah, she's an attractive woman...
396.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah...
397.
Fox:
...she's also an RCMP officer...
398.
Potts:
...you...
399.
Fox:
...and if I run into her she'll probably kick my ass but...
400.
Potts:
Oh no, come on now. She's, she's a, she's a nice lady. She's one of the good ones, they're not, they're few and far between usually but (pause), especially now, like 2019, it's, seems like we're all about um, uh, I gotta be careful, actually (chuckles), you say you gotta be careful, I gotta be careful the way I talk about uh...
401.
Fox:
All about...
402.
Potts:
...and women, um...
403.
Fox:
...all about...oh-oh, don't even get me started about...
404.
Potts:
Yeah.
405.
Fox:
Feminists and stuff.
406.
Potts:
Yes.
407.
Fox:
If there wasn't such militant feminism, over the top militant feminism in Canada right now, I wouldn't be sitting here. None of this would have happened.
408.
Potts:
Yeah.
409.
Fox:
Because people would've taken the time to, to look at both side of it and went, oh, she is a psycho bitch, okay there's nothing wrong with this website.
410.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah...
411.
Fox:
But.
412.
Potts:
...it's out of control right now I mean, and I've never seen it, oh obviously nobody's ever seen it like this. You can't say anything and you can't...
413.
Fox:
Hmm, right?
414.
Potts:
...Trudeau, you know, with all his...
415.
Fox:
Ah, Trudeau...
416.
Potts:
...I oh, yeah. He's goin' down though, that's for sure.
417.
Fox:
I would say I hope but, well...
418.
Potts:
Yeah, you never know, the...
419.
Fox:
Doesn't affect me, well, the reason...
420.
Potts:
...look at TRUMP, yeah.
421.
Fox:
...I wouldn't say I hope is because hopefully I won't be here, so it won't affect me.
422.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah-yeah-yeah. Well I definitely won't be voting for him...
423.
Fox:
Hmm.
424.
Potts:
...uh, yeah, he was apologizing for everything in Feb-yeah.
425.
Fox:
Uh, apologizing for everything, except what he and his party have done.
426.
Potts:
Yeah, exactly, uh, yeah, I've been staying, uh, well up to date on that. It's uh, I think that's, their pull, their numbers are dropping like the, double digits, which, who knows what it'll mean, I mean we've seen the polls in the States...
427.
Fox:
Yeah.
428.
Potts:
...and it meant nothing, but...
429.
Fox:
Um, the past two and a half weeks, since I've been in the US, um, I haven't had any Canadian news, so I don't know.
430.
Potts:
Oh, okay.
431.
Fox:
I don't know about what's happened in the past couple weeks. But um, notice, there's no talk about another charge of criminal harassment, so there's a new website up...
432.
Potts:
Yeah.
433.
Fox:
...um, and the old criminal harassment was based substantially on the old website. So now there's a new website which is almost identical but has more stuff added to it. Um, the new website would be way more harmful to CAPUANO, because now there's like all this proof that she committed perjury and of how horrible of a person she is. Um, yet, mark my words, nobody's gonna charge me with criminal harassment again, because if they do, she would have to come and testify again, and I've got, I don't know if you've seen it on the website or my affidavit, uh, that I filed in the Court of Appeal, um, so much proof of all this perjury that she committed and that MYHRE and LAGEMAAT knew about, but they refused to cross-examine her on.
434.
Potts:
Yeah.
435.
Fox:
So, I think...
436.
Potts:
I don't know if that's why, I mean perhaps but uh, um, I'm not sure, like they, I- I'm not involved in...
437.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
438.
Potts:
...that part of it, uh.
439.
Fox:
But you will be.
440.
Potts:
I-I will be uh, I think we'll be s-maybe, and maybe we will see each other again in a, in a, in a courtroom. We'll see. Um, but yeah, I basically, after today I won't have any more investigative, the same as last time...
441.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
442.
Potts:
...um...
443.
Fox:
So what do you want to know about the uh, there was another probation violations or breaches that uh, other Burnaby...
444.
Potts:
Yeah, there's the, I mean there's the three that the Burnaby, uh, so it's the, I mean you went to the, the border, uh...
445.
Fox:
Yeah, within a hundred meters of the border.
446.
Potts:
...Yeah...
447.
Fox:
Left British Columbia, so we...
448.
Potts:
Left British Columbia, and then...
449.
Fox:
...I told you my defence on those.
450.
Potts:
Yeah, did you, and then obviously you didn't tell your, PO officer.
451.
Fox:
Ah, my defense on that is, I was in Homeland Security custody. I had no way of contacting them.
452.
Potts:
Okay.
453.
Fox:
Now, you could say that oh I was required to tell them 48 hours before I left the Yukon, except that I didn't know 48 hours before I left the Yukon.
454.
Potts:
Okay.
455.
Fox:
In fact, I had gone to report for probation that morning of the 15th, and then he told me that uh, the RCMP was investigating something about a website or something, um, and that was around the time that I decided that, okay, this is it, this is enough, I've had it with this bullshit, this is fucking crazy. So, that was when I decided um, to leave, and then I went to the border. Had I not been detained by Homeland Security, then I would've contacted him and let him know, but uh, I was detained so.
456.
Potts:
Okay.
457.
Fox:
And if you have, if you have Homeland Security get the recordings of my telephone calls from there, you will see that I asked my friend Liz, to call, uh, whatever his n-can't remember his name. Bhimji, something, the new probation officer. Um, I asked her to call him, to let him know.
458.
Potts:
I think I had a note, sorry, go ahead.
459.
Fox:
Um, that I was no longer in the country.
460.
Potts:
Okay.
461.
Fox:
Ah yeah, that's the probation officer, and I wrote his information down so that I could have Liz call him to let him know.
462.
Potts:
Oh, okay.
463.
Fox:
Because I told him that I would let him know when I left the country.
464.
Potts:
So these notes you made were in the States then?
465.
Fox:
Yes, that would've been when I got to the detention facility, um, they let you go on your phone, so like if you need to get any numbers out...
466.
Potts:
Oh I see, okay, okay.
467.
Fox:
Um, so.
468.
Potts:
Okay. (Sighs), um, okay, and did you, how long had you, had you been planning on going to the States or was it, what, when did you file, like I know you said the 15th was your final, (inaudible).
469.
Fox:
That was the breaking point yeah.
470.
Potts:
Yeah.
471.
Fox:
Um (pause), of course, I had planned to go back all along, um, in a worst case, what I told myself (pause), was that the absolute worse they can do is keep me here for three years, the probation is gonna end in three years, and then I can go back, and so, based on that I would say yes, b-the moment I was sentenced, um, I knew I was gonna be going back to the US, it was just a question of when. So, I was originally intending to go back when the probation ended, well originally I was expecting that the appeal was gonna proceed and then it would all be vacated on appeal. Um, but then they pull this crap about, oh you gotta pay two-thousand dollars for the transcripts, and I'm like I already have the transcripts, and they're like, no-no, these are the photocopies that you need to submit to the court, and I'm like two-thousand dollars, for photocopies?
472.
Potts:
Oh.
473.
Fox:
So then I told the Court of Appeal is that I can't possibly afford that...
474.
Potts:
Yeah.
475.
Fox:
...I'm, I'm homeless I mean look, n-this whole situation has, this case has put me in the situation where I'm gonna be homeless for three years.
476.
Potts:
Yeah.
477.
Fox:
So, um, I don't even know what's going on with the appeal now, I didn't bother with the case management conference that was on the 20th, 'cause obviously I was in Homeland Security custody, but uh. So that was my original plan, was that the appeal would proceed, and everything would be vacated and then I would go back. Um, but then when it started looking like that wasn't gonna happen, then I was thinking in the worst case, I would have to wait the three years, um, but of course then there's also the issue of there's such outrageous misconduct that occurred in my case, my trial, with LAGEMAAT and MYHRE, and I've got proof of all of that in all of these audio recordings, and eventually, um, someone who's media, probably some men's rights organization or something, is gonna stumble across it and they're gonna go, holy fuck what happened here...
478.
Potts:
Yeah.
479.
Fox:
...and that is gonna be in the news, and then the Ministry of Justice is gonna be scrambling again, go-oh my god we got bad public relations here, we need to do something, quick, quick, vacate this guy's stuff and let's get rid of him. Which is what I figured probably would've happened after I went down to the US but uh, hasn't happened yet (inaudible).
480.
Potts:
Have you, yeah. What's that men's gr-uh, not mens, but they're quite conservative um, I kinda enjoy their readings, uh, they're actually catching on quite a bit, uh, they've covered the pipeline stuff quite a bit (pause), ah, that would be who uh...
481.
Fox:
I can't remember. I think I know who you're talking about.
482.
Potts:
Yeah.
483.
Fox:
They originated in Toronto or something.
484.
Potts:
It's the, something, I can't think of it. Anyways, there's quite a few, uh, at least they're popping up more and more, obviously this kind of, the, the sys-or the society or...
485.
Fox:
Yeah.
486.
Potts:
That we're in right now is gonna generate more of these comp-people are uh, ah...
487.
Fox:
And if you look at Canadian social history though, you'll see that this happens over and over again in Canada. It swings from one extreme to the other extreme...
488.
Potts:
Yeah.
489.
Fox:
...um, to hell with it. It's not my problem.
490.
Potts:
Yeah.
491.
Fox:
I want nothing to do with this country anymore.
492.
Potts:
Yeah, no-no, for sure.
493.
Fox:
I've got proof now that uh, and you're more than welcome to look at the proof, I've got the document printed from the Ministry of Social Development...
494.
Potts:
Okay, I got...
495.
Fox:
...that's what they're...
496.
Potts:
...they gave me a few things here, I don't know if any of these are them.
497.
Fox:
No-no it's uh, well these are things that um, I had at the jail, out there.
498.
Potts:
Okay. Um...
499.
Fox:
That's the...
500.
Potts:
...is this where you were?
501.
Fox:
...yeah, that's the contact information for the jail...
502.
Potts:
Okay.
503.
Fox:
...um, or this is stuff I wanted Liz to send to me but then I thought you know what, hold on, let's see what's gonna happen um, I w-I was gonna wait then...
504.
Potts:
Is this, like did you write this from a phone conversation with her, or like was the plan to mail to her.
505.
Fox:
No-no, this is stuff that I asked her to print to send to me on the phone.
506.
Potts:
Oh, okay-'kay-'kay.
507.
Fox:
Um, but you see this is all stuff that supports my claim that uh, I'm not a Canadian citizen.
508.
Potts:
Yeah, okay. Um, is this the website then? That you guys can sign into?
509.
Fox:
No.
510.
Potts:
To check your bal, is that the R...
511.
Fox:
Well yeah, that's how she sends me money...
512.
Potts:
Oh, okay.
513.
Fox:
...uh, a canteen or commissary account. Uh (AHMED) is just a guy I knew up here, I wanted to get ahold of him to let him know that I'd left uh (pause), set of gmail (mumbling), I'm not sure what this, I mean, gmail.com on the Tablet, what Tab-I'm, I have no idea what I'm talking about here. Um...
514.
Potts:
'Cause you have a tablet, right? 'Cause I think we have it...
515.
Fox:
Well yeah but, yeah but I had that Tablet with me.
516.
Potts:
...and you have a laptop is it too or, is that a laptop up there, that they s-took, the uh, people that arrested you today.
517.
Fox:
No-no-no-no-no-no, I didn't have any computers with me...
518.
Potts:
Okay.
519.
Fox:
...um, because since I had, since I had gone to...
520.
Potts:
Oh, just there.
521.
Fox:
...uh, the probation officer and he had said that the RCMP was investigating about a website and then I decided that uh, that's enough of this bullshit, anything that I would've had with me that w-could have possibly associated me with the website in any way, um, obviously I would've gotten rid of. Um, I didn't keep my laptop with me, because I didn't want to have it when I crossed the border because one, it's just more to carry unnecessarily, and two, um, just in case this happened.
522.
Potts:
Okay.
523.
Fox:
Um, do you remember, when you were interviewing me three years ago, and you were asking, why would I ship all my stuff to Los Angeles if I was thinking maybe of moving to Toronto. It doesn't make sense and like why spend all that extra money. And I had said, well because I knew that there was a possibility that I might end up being arrested, and then if I was arrested in detained for some period of time, I would end up losing everything. At least if it's with my friend in Los Angeles, I'm not gonna lose it.
524.
Potts:
Okay.
525.
Fox:
Same idea.
526.
Potts:
Got it, so the computer's in...
527.
Fox:
And, you see, you see how...
528.
Potts:
...the laptop's in...
529.
Fox:
...nobody believed me...
530.
Potts:
...in compute-heh-is uh, on its way to the States or, in California?
531.
Fox:
Oh no, that laptop that I had here was just an old one that I had uh, sent that I could afford to lose, but um, I just didn't want to have it with me, at the time.
532.
Potts:
Okay.
533.
Fox:
Um, but like I said, if there was anything incriminating on there, which there really wasn't, but if there was, obviously I would've deleted it. Just like how all this stuff here, obviously I knew that it might end up in your hands and...
534.
Potts:
Yeah.
535.
Fox:
...so, the only thing, like I heard the woman speaking earlier, something about um, in this to do list uh...
536.
Potts:
Yeah.
537.
Fox:
...about um, adding editor at desicapuano.com, to thunderbird...
538.
Potts:
Yeah.
539.
Fox:
...and she was kinda making a big deal about that and I'm like, okay, do you think that you caught me slipping up or something, and...
540.
Potts:
Oh, I mean...
541.
Fox:
...not you, I mean her.
542.
Potts:
...yeah, no-no, I hear you.
543.
Fox:
Obviously everything on here, it's stuff that uh, I know, you guys might end up with, especially since...
544.
Potts:
Well what did you mean, like what does it mean, what does that mean, like adding somebody as an editor?
545.
Fox:
Mm mmm. No-no, not as an editor...
546.
Potts:
Sorry.
547.
Fox:
...um, this email address...
548.
Potts:
Yeah.
549.
Fox:
...editor@desicapuano.com, adding it to the contacts I guess is probably what I meant there.
550.
Potts:
Okay, okay.
551.
Fox:
Because, let's say...
552.
Potts:
The contacts on, the website?
553.
Fox:
No-no, um, contacts in my thunderbird account, on my computer.
554.
Potts:
Oh, okay. Thunderbird account is...
555.
Fox:
Thunderbird is an email client...
556.
Potts:
Okay.
557.
Fox:
...like outlook.
558.
Potts:
Okay, never heard of it.
559.
Fox:
Might have heard of it.
560.
Potts:
Sorry. Never heard, sorry.
561.
Fox:
Oh, it's uh, it's more common like in Unix environments.
562.
Potts:
In which, sorry?
563.
Fox:
Unix.
564.
Potts:
Okay, yeah.
565.
Fox:
Like Linux
566.
Potts:
Okay.
567.
Fox:
Um, see because let's say if I wanted Liz to send an email, or anybody, to send an email, uh, on my behalf, and if I'm in jail, um, some people are a little slow on the computer...
568.
Potts:
Yeah.
569.
Fox:
...and so if the email address is already in the contacts, then if she types edi, then it comes up...
570.
Potts:
Okay.
571.
Fox:
...she doesn't have to type in the whole thing, or I don't have to worry about if she spells it wrong or something. So, that's probably what that was.
572.
Potts:
Okay. Um (sighs), to print a pdf and then ATIP, uh (pause), on HP Laptop (pause). So, is that the laptop you were using then?
573.
Fox:
I have many, many laptops.
574.
Potts:
Okay. (Pause). But you must have that one somewhere, or she has it. (Pause). But (pause), the HP.
575.
Fox:
I decline to answer that.
576.
Potts:
Okay.
577.
Fox:
But you'll notice it's written so generically, on your HP laptop, I mean (pause), like what, eight of my laptops are HPs.
578.
Potts:
Okay, wow you have eight of them. Where do you store all these in?
579.
Fox:
Places.
580.
Potts:
(Chuckles).
581.
Fox:
Outside.
582.
Potts:
I didn't expect to get an answer there. I uh...
583.
Fox:
Um...
584.
Potts:
...um...
585.
Fox:
...so, go ahead and pick anything on there, I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for it, or I'm sure it's so vaguely written that it could be construed many different ways.
586.
Potts:
Yeah, I mean uh it's uh...
587.
Fox:
I was, I was in Homeland Security custody, Homeland Security doesn't follow the laws, I'm not gonna write down anything that they could just come over to my bunk, look at and could incriminate me.
588.
Potts:
Okay.
589.
Fox:
So.
590.
Potts:
Um.
591.
Fox:
Well, this coffee was delightful, I don't...
592.
Potts:
Yes.
593.
Fox:
...suppose we could get more though huh?
594.
Potts:
We probably can, I would take another one as well, uh, just one second (pause). Was it good?
595.
Fox:
Mm mmm.
596.
Potts:
No?
597.
Fox:
But it's caffeine, so.
598.
(Pause).
599.
Potts:
Um (pause), (sighs), so, whe-and then so when you get to the States, what's your, what was your end game like, you-you wanted to just live there and decide to get a job, like what was your plan, if you were to g-if you were to be granted, you know, that they believed you, the judge, that yes you're an American, what was your plan?
600.
Fox:
Um, to go back to Los Angeles, to get back to my life. Here in Canada, my case and the website and all was a big deal on this leftist uh, bleeding-heart, feminist media...
601.
Potts:
Yeah.
602.
Fox:
...made a huge deal about it. Um, but if you look at all the news coverage, there was absolutely nothing in the United States about the trial or any of the, the charges or anything because everybody thinks down there it is such a pathetic joke, people are going around, laughing at uh Justin TRUDEAU and about like how this ridiculous feminism is up here.
603.
Potts:
Yeah.
604.
Fox:
Um, when, some of the people that work at the uh detention facility and they were asking me like well what are you, what are you here for? Like what did you go to prison for and so I tell them about it, and then I tell them you can Google it, you can see the news stories on there, and uh then they would come back the next day or something and say that is fucking outrageous.
605.
Potts:
(Chuckle).
606.
Fox:
You went to prison for three and a half years for creating a website for just telling the truth about your ex-wife and publishing the proof of what you were saying.
607.
Potts:
Yeah.
608.
Fox:
I'm like yes. So in the U.S. um they would probably, they either, employers either wouldn't care about it or they would look at it and they would go holy fuck, you poor guy.
609.
Potts:
Yeah.
610.
Fox:
Here in Canada, um, there's no way I'll be able to get a job and, and MYHRE even knew, fuck, God. One time MYHRE shows up at court, that little bitch...
611.
Potts:
Yeah.
612.
Fox:
...and he says oh, well perhaps Mr. FOX might not be able to get a job in the line of work that he's used to working in but surely he'll be able to get some job. Okay so I'm going to go from a software engineer and a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year to working at Burger King, that's perfectly acceptable, all because I created a website and told the truth about my ex-wife.
613.
Potts:
Yeah.
614.
Fox:
Not a single threat, never said anything threatening to her, never said anything intended to be threatening, never said anything that could even be construed as threatening, when you read the entire context, um, this country's fucked up man. Um, so.
615.
Potts:
Yeah I mean the times have changed, uh I mean I'm not saying, you know I'm not commenting on your thing but I'm saying as far as what we were talking about you know with the bleeding hearts that you said, it uh certainly has changed. Uh it's been drastic in the last...
616.
Fox:
But like, like...
617.
Potts:
...year and a half, two years that with the women.
618.
Fox:
...I can't believe that there's so many men here that just sit back and just let it happen.
619.
Potts:
I know, yeah.
620.
Fox:
It's like.
621.
Potts:
It's, it's becoming uh...
622.
Fox:
I'm not saying that men should go around beating up women...
623.
Potts:
...no.
624.
Fox:
...no, certainly nobody should go around beating up anybody.
625.
Potts:
No.
626.
Fox:
But uh to just, like, uh, all this stuff about as soon as a man is accused of something that's it, his career is ruined and his life is ruined you know, and then they find out later that oh he didn't do it, he was innocent, news doesn't say anything about that.
627.
Potts:
Yeah. No...
628.
Fox:
So my end game.
629.
Potts:
...you come here, you're telling the truth, I mean I know I've, I've, I actually seen a article uh so maybe the, the men are getting the uh, the, the, our, our understanding about fifty, it's never been before, there's now more single people in the lower mainland than people in a relationship. So maybe people are uh finally get the news and people - men are starting (chuckle) to just, just have one night stands or not, not staying in relationships...
630.
Fox:
Mmm.
631.
Potts:
...'cause women can be uh obviously quite.
632.
Fox:
Yeah you go to be careful with the one night stands too though...
633.
Potts:
Yeah.
634.
Fox:
...because there are some women who will be ashamed or embarrassed about having had a one-night stand and they accuse the men of rape.
635.
Potts:
Oh it's, yeah.
636.
Fox:
It happens.
637.
Potts:
Yeah.
638.
Fox:
Um, so.
639.
Potts:
So did you want to get in back into, its Gabriel right, into his uh?
640.
Fox:
Well obviously I would like to, I mean when I was released uh back at the end of December I sent an email to the last known email address for him, um, and I sent a message to his uh Instagram account, um, didn't get a response to any of that. Um, so I don't know if he's even still using uh that email address, I'm sure that Desiree has made him give her the password and so I'm sure she has been accessing it. Um, his most recent posting on Instagram was from November two-thousand-seventeen...
641.
Potts:
Okay.
642.
Fox:
...right around the same time I was sentenced. Um, but then I saw like from some of his other friends on Instagram um pictures that he's in that were more recent. And I found some records uh on his school's website showing that uh last year he made the honor roll or something.
643.
Potts:
Oh, okay.
644.
Fox:
So he's doing well, um, but at the same time when you have a parent who's a psycho like her, and my mother was a psycho like that too and so when you're living in that environment you start picking up some of the habits and that's really what I've been so scared of. Um, that he starts acting in that way and thinking it's normal. Anyway everybody keeps saying oh he's eighteen now, he can choose for himself. People are fucked up in the head. Um, he's been with her for five years now. He's got a life in Arizona, he's got friends and, that he uh goes to school with and all. You can't expect that a child is just going to go oh my father's out of jail so I'm going to move to another country and go live with him, and just leave everything that I have here. Um, people are just so overly simplistic sometimes.
645.
Potts:
Mm hmm.
646.
Fox:
So ideally, uh, well ideally what I would have wanted was to go back to Los Angeles to get in touch with him, let him know that I'm out, it's his decision if he wants to come back and live with me and such. Um, I believe he's in his last year of high school right now, um, I don't know what he's got planned for university, I'm sure that Desiree hasn't put any money aside for university or anything. Um, and if she's still with the guy that she was with before who knows what that situation is.
647.
Potts:
That was Ja- is it James?
648.
Fox:
James PENDLETON.
649.
Potts:
Yeah.
650.
Fox:
And since Gabriel is still going to that same school, the high school in Sahuarita, I'm assuming they're still together. Um, and he had very low self-esteem so probably he would still be with her. Um.
651.
Potts:
James had low self-esteem?
652.
Fox:
Oh yeah.
653.
Potts:
Okay.
654.
Fox:
When you listen to like his RCMP interviews and stuff and it's, you can tell.
655.
Potts:
Okay.
656.
Fox:
Um, and Desiree usually goes out with guys that have low self-esteem because they're easy to manipulate and control. Like you look at um Michael CAPUANO, her ex-husband...
657.
Potts:
Okay.
658.
Fox:
...uh then um Christopher LOCKNER, the one that was getting in trouble with the law and everything, anyway.
659.
Potts:
Yeah, okay.
660.
Fox:
So that would have been my end goal is to go back to Los Angeles, uh re- establish contact with Gabriel, hopefully he would have some interest in returning to Los Angeles, maybe going to UCLA or something, and then we could try to pick up from there. But, um I don't know, it's hard to say. I mean he might be so far gone now with all the white trash nonsense and stuff.
661.
Potts:
Yeah.
662.
Fox:
He might be into drugs for all I know.
663.
Potts:
Okay, well hopefully not. Did you have an end ga- like so that's, that's Gabriel that makes sense to me...
664.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
665.
Potts:
...that's kind of what I figured. Did you have any kind of end game or plans with the, uh, the web- like the website or continued uh not, I'm not going to say publishing but continued uh broadcasting of stuff about Desiree?
666.
Fox:
I can, I can say that once I am no longer in Canada, since I'm not a Canadian National or Citizen or subject of Canada um the probation becomes moot once I return to my country of origin. Um, like if I were already in Los Angeles, Homeland Security would not have spent the money to come and get me and bring me all the way back up here to extradite me for a probation violation. Um, the only reason they did in this case is because they needed to get rid of me before I go before an immigration judge with this new evidence, and so that's just a convenient thing, you just throw him in the back of a truck and bring them to the border. Um, so, that being the case, once I'm no longer in Canada, um, yes, I have every intention of continuing to maintain the website, as well as the new website, about all of the misconduct that occurred in my, case. Um, that R v. FOX page...
667.
Potts:
Yeah.
668.
Fox:
...that section, on the uh, the website, um, that is a prelude to an entire website that is going to be coming...
669.
Potts:
Okay.
670.
Fox:
...about. Not only about my, the R v. FOX case, but also about Homeland Security and how the detained me for four years before, and tried to, deport me, um, based on their allegation that I was this guy from, Ontario.
671.
Potts:
One sec, you reminded me on the coffee.
672.
Fox:
Oh it's just uh, because the light, it looked like there was...
673.
Potts:
Oh, okay.
674.
Fox:
Coffee in there and that's why I was...
675.
Potts:
Oh, yeah, yeah...
676.
Fox:
...checking, I was like...
677.
Potts:
...more coffee...
678.
Fox:
Could have swore I drank it all.
679.
Potts:
...more coffee coming.
680.
Fox:
Um, now, I'm openly admitting that, because as I said, since I have no ties to Canada, even though I'm on probation in Canada, once I, as a foreign national, leave Canada and return to my country of origin, um, a Canadian court has no authority or jurisdiction over me...
681.
Potts:
Mm hmm.
682.
Fox:
...like, all of the case law, along those lines, deals with um, people who have some tie or connection to Canada, and then they leave the country, they violate, like they engage in conducts that would violate the probation conditions, and then when they come back, they end up being prosecuted for violating probation, and they try to claim that, oh but I was outside of Canada and so it was outside your jurisdiction, so it shouldn't have mattered. Um, but those are all situations where the person still had some tie, some connection to Canada.
683.
Potts:
Okay. You said that you would maintain, or, is the other site still being maintained then? There, so there's two sites running right now? The...
684.
Fox:
Other site?
685.
Potts:
The uh, the original?
686.
Fox:
Oh, you mean the original...
687.
Potts:
Yeah.
688.
Fox:
...desireecapuano.com?
689.
Potts:
Yeah.
690.
Fox:
Uh, no, well, okay, there's a copy of it, um, there's a thing on the internet called the internet archive...
691.
Potts:
Okay.
692.
Fox:
...um, which is a non-profit organization that makes cached copies of other existing websites...
693.
Potts:
Oh, okay.
694.
Fox:
...and so...
695.
Potts:
Inter...
696.
Fox:
...back in 2016, they had made a cached, or backup copy of the desireecapuano.com website.
697.
Potts:
Okay.
698.
Fox:
So even when the hosting plan expired, in (pause), it was released in 2018, so I guess it was what, January 2018 is when it expired? Um, and so then the, the original website went offline, but that cached copy remained accessibly publicly on the internet, at uh, archive.org, I believe the...
699.
Potts:
Oh, okay.
700.
Fox:
The url is.
701.
Potts:
Okay.
702.
Fox:
Um, but that's completely beyond my control, I have nothing to do with that, so...
703.
Potts:
Yeah.
704.
Fox:
...I mean, the Crown can try to hold me responsible for that if he wants, but...
705.
Potts:
(Chuckles). Um, that's probably gonna be our coffee.
706.
Fox:
Uh huh. Yeah.
707.
Potts:
Hopefully.
708.
(Sound of knocking).
709.
Fox:
The other website, the new one, um, go ahead...
710.
Potts:
Yeah. (Sound of door opening), oh beauty, sweet.
711.
(Pause).
712.
Fox:
Thank you.
713.
Potts:
Oh, we got nicer cups this time.
714.
Fox:
Ah.
715.
(Sound of door closing).
716.
Potts:
I don't think my coffee was stirred.
717.
Fox:
Hmm.
718.
Potts:
You agree? I guess I can't be can-beggars can't be choosers.
719.
Fox:
Sure they can, this is Canada.
720.
Potts:
(Chuckles).
721.
Fox:
From what I've seen of the homeless people here I guess, beggars...
722.
Potts:
Oh.
723.
Fox:
.Can definitely be choosers.
724.
Potts:
Yeah, I know. Oh man.
725.
Fox:
I would use a pen.
726.
Potts:
I don't know where that pen's been.
727.
Fox:
You're spilling.
728.
Potts:
Oh, thank you. That's okay. I gotta get off, I don't, I r-I do remember see-um, 'cause I remember laughing when I, or kind of chuckling inside, on the stand, um, remember when I, we talked about the coffee last time and I said I w-I don't feel like a man 'cause I still take...
729.
Fox:
Hmm ya, ya.
730.
Potts:
...(inaudible), yeah, yeah-yeah-yeah. I s...
731.
Fox:
I tell you about the Japanese girl I was engaged to and she was the one that got me drinking it black?
732.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah-yeah-yeah.
733.
Fox:
Um...
734.
Potts:
I still haven't kicked it; I don't think I ever will.
735.
Fox:
No...
736.
Potts:
Uh...
737.
Fox:
Shouldn't.
738.
Potts:
No.
739.
Fox:
So, let's see, where were we. Um, about, oh yes, the old website and the new website. Uh, so that's what happened with the old website and there's still that cached copy out there. Um, yeah. An important thing to notice, Desiree claims in the news media, and at the trial, that she's so traumatized by this website and it's ruining her life and it's destroying her life and stuff, right, she never, ever once made a single complaint, or made a single mention about the cached copy on archive.org, which shows she didn't care about the website, she just cared about getting me convicted and sent to jail. Um, and not because she cared about me, being punished for having done something wrong, she just, it's just another jab, it's just this back and forth battle that's been going on forever, and...
740.
(Pause).
741.
Potts:
Is, is, uh, and I don't remember, but, uh, the, another thing I kind of found quite funny, um, the bottom of this new website...
742.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
743.
Potts:
...the disclaimer, or the, whatever you want to call it, at the very bottom of every...
744.
Fox:
Sure, the footer, yeah.
745.
Potts:
...of every, yeah the footer of every page, that was quite...
746.
Fox:
I don't know, what does it say? Can I see, can I see how...
747.
Potts:
Oh yeah.
748.
Fox:
...it printed out on (inaudible)...
749.
Potts:
Yeah, here.
750.
(Pause).
751.
Fox:
Now I know it might seem strange, you're probably thinking, but he wrote all this stuff, what you mean you don't remember, you don't know what it says. I'm actually, being completely...
752.
Potts:
Uh...
753.
Fox:
...honest when I say, I did not publish this stuff...
754.
Potts:
Okay.
755.
Fox:
...um, because, as long as it's done in a certain way, I haven't violated the probation. (Pause). And so I'd love to see MYHRE come after me and say oh you created this new website. You're violating the probation. And I'm like...
756.
(Pause).
757.
Potts:
Yeah, I don't...
758.
Fox:
(Inaudible).
759.
Potts:
...I mean I-I don't know, I don't know if you published it, I mean you seem confident there, I-I think you wrote it, this material, I mean...
760.
Fox:
That's fine.
761.
Potts:
...yeah, like I think that's...
762.
Fox:
I'm sure you've seen the probation conditions right?
763.
Potts:
Yeah.
764.
Fox:
There's nothing in there that says I can't write stuff.
765.
Potts:
Yeah, um, but uh, I don't have the bottom actually, on these.
766.
Fox:
Uh.
767.
Potts:
Uh, it must not have printed. Oh wait, yeah...
768.
(Pause).
769.
Fox:
It's like I said to the judge at the probation hearing on the 14th...
770.
Potts:
This made me laugh.
771.
Fox:
Oh yeah, that's, that's cute, the little Facebook.
772.
Potts:
What is it? Oh yeah, the...
773.
Fox:
Giving the finger.
774.
Potts:
...oh yeah, sorry the finger. Is that 'cause you don't have pictures of them, or?
775.
Fox:
Um, that would be because whoever is doing that uh, did not have picture of them, yes.
776.
Potts:
Okay.
777.
Fox:
(Indecipherable).
778.
Potts:
'Cause, yeah. I uh, I saw that I didn't have a picture, I uh (pause)...
779.
Fox:
(Chuckles).
780.
Potts:
(Chuckles), you must've seen this, are you kidding me? Come on.
781.
Fox:
(Chuckles).
782.
Potts:
(Chuckles), I read this and I'm like, ah, that's Mark, for sure. I, I'm not saying you put that on there, but that's your writing, 'cause you're a pretty funny guy sometimes with your, 'cause there was something like that on the old one, but not quite uh, this overt.
783.
Fox:
(Chuckles).
784.
Potts:
The second one down there (chuckles).
785.
Fox:
But you see...
786.
Potts:
You're you see, yeah...
787.
Fox:
...if you see what I wrote about Suzanna ELLIOT...
788.
Potts:
Yeah.
789.
Fox:
...you see, I'm not just slamming everybody...
790.
Potts:
Yeah-yeah-yeah, for sure. Uh, I mean, same with mine, I mean, I, and uh, I know you probably looked, did you look for a photo of me and you couldn't find it?
791.
Fox:
Oh, of course.
792.
Potts:
I'd love to make a...
793.
Fox:
Um, okay, any questions that you phrase like that, uh, did I look for a photo?
794.
Potts:
Okay.
795.
Fox:
We're going to assume that means did whoever publish this stuff, or create this stuff, did that person look for a photo.
796.
Potts:
Okay.
797.
Fox:
Um, otherwise, I'm gonna have to keep correcting you every time and...
798.
Potts:
Sure.
799.
Fox:
...that would be tedious, and I might miss it one time, and then Mark MYHRE is gonna say, oh, you didn't correct him this time, which means you're admitting it was you.
800.
Potts:
Okay.
801.
Fox:
So um...
802.
Potts:
But there's no uh...
803.
Fox:
...yes, there was a, a photo was attempted to, uh, let's see how can I say it. It would be better to have a photo of everybody who would be mentioned on there, but some people, there just weren't photos that could be found so.
804.
Potts:
That's, yeah. I don't care either way, but...
805.
Fox:
(Chuckles).
806.
Potts:
...I don't think anyone wants to see my face anyway (chuckles), yeah, there's Heather.
807.
Fox:
Yup.
808.
Potts:
This photo, I don't even know where some of these (chuckles) photos come from, like, that uh, that one there, it look-looks like somebody in uniform, it looks like he's definitely in uniform.
809.
Fox:
Yup. Um, and there was some kid next to him, a retarded kid or something...
810.
Potts:
Oh ok.
811.
Fox:
...I think it was something, Special Olympics, or I don't know what it was. But...
812.
Potts:
Oh, I see, okay.
813.
Fox:
...and, oh no, it was some young RCMP thing, um...
814.
Potts:
Oh, like um...
815.
Fox:
...some kind of mentor program.
816.
Potts:
...Cadets or something, yeah...
817.
Fox:
Mentor thing yeah, something like that...
818.
Potts:
...okay, gotcha. Just...
819.
Fox:
You, you remember him, right? Jean-Philippe DUPONT?
820.
Potts:
I, I...
821.
Fox:
He was...
822.
Potts:
...I know him. Uh...
823.
Fox:
...well he was involved in the original thing..
824.
Potts:
...oh, okay-okay...
825.
Fox:
...well I think I mention him in here, don't I?
826.
Potts:
...yeah you do, yeah.
827.
Fox:
...just kinda, in point.
828.
Potts:
Uh, white knight, you said he...
829.
Fox:
Yeah.
830.
Potts:
...you think he's called, white knights for him.
831.
Fox:
Hmm.
832.
Potts:
He's not very memora-and then you reference him in mine.
833.
Fox:
Really.
834.
Potts:
Mostly like, yeah...
835.
Fox:
Oh ya, (chuckles)...
836.
Potts:
...mostly like Constable DUPONT, POTTS was overwhelmingly forgettable (chuckles).
837.
Fox:
(Chuckles).
838.
Potts:
Oh wait, remember this, just a whole lot of don't give a shit...
839.
Fox:
(Chuckles).
840.
Potts:
...what are you trying to say? (Chuckles). I uh...
841.
Fox:
(Chuckles), I totally...
842.
Potts:
...I don't...
843.
Fox:
...clearly I did not write this stuff, because if I did, I wouldn't be finding it so funny (chuckles)...
844.
Potts:
Oh...
845.
Fox:
...because I would've remembered it.
846.
Potts:
...oh.
847.
Fox:
Either that or I wrote it and I just don't remember it.
848.
Potts:
Yeah, I think you wrote it and you just, there's so much. You have, I can't believe how many profiles there are here, I-I, all these people, this is...
849.
Fox:
This...
850.
Potts:
...this is over, the whole, uh, not just this mo-is this, this most recent case?
851.
Fox:
...oh yeah.
852.
Potts:
With 2016. Wow.
853.
Fox:
All that stuff is just...
854.
Potts:
I haven't read all...
855.
Fox:
...related to...
856.
Potts:
...I just...
857.
Fox:
...R v. FOX.
858.
Potts:
Yeah. It's gonna...
859.
Fox:
And...
860.
Potts:
...take me days to go through all this.
861.
Fox:
...there's, like if you go down farther in the page, where there's like tables at the bottom, where...
862.
Potts:
I think I've mixed it up here.
863.
(Pause).
864.
Fox:
There's something wrong, they should have page numbers at the bottom.
865.
Potts:
Oh, okay.
866.
Fox:
They have to have the...
867.
Potts:
I did print a pdf...
868.
Fox:
...oh, okay, see...
869.
Potts:
...I did print a pdf.
870.
Fox:
Um, okay so here...
871.
Potts:
It's part of this.
872.
Fox:
...court pro-court proceedings and then you'll see, yeah, there's audio recordings, and here's the transcripts, the pdfs...
873.
Potts:
Oh yeah.
874.
Fox:
...and the audio recordings, um, and for each of these...
875.
Potts:
And they're all on there, eh?
876.
Fox:
...yup.
877.
Potts:
Wow.
878.
Fox:
For each, like where there's a link here, it means there's a separate page...
879.
Potts:
Okay.
880.
Fox:
...like for that. Because there's the pdf of the transcript, but there's also an html version...
881.
Potts:
Okay.
882.
Fox:
...and when you look at the html version, or the pdf version, um, every instance where CAPUANO committed perjury and (LAGEMAAT) and MYHRE knew that she was lying, it's highlighted in red, and if you click on it, there's the comments in there that explain where the evidence was, or how they...
883.
Potts:
Oh, wow...
884.
Fox:
...should've known that she was lying.
885.
Potts:
...wow. This must've ta-I mean again, uh, this must've taken a long time to build this website, or a long time, to build something like this. I would think.
886.
Fox:
The entire website, or just the R v. FOX stuff?
887.
Potts:
I would say yeah, the R v. FOX.
888.
Fox:
I would guess.
889.
Potts:
I mean, I'm sorry, ignorant, yeah, but...
890.
Fox:
I would, um, I mean, one thing you have to consider is that, for example, there's a publication ban on Gabriel and Sage's names, and so whoever is publishing this stuff, would have to go through all the transcripts and redact their names and, so I'm sure it would be a very time-consuming thing. But, exposing the truth and exposing corruption in the system, in the justice system, is a very important thing, and its worth it for a person to sacrifice the rest of their life, so that society knows the kind of bad stuff that's happening in the system.
891.
Potts:
Okay. And is the person that, uh-I'm assuming you obviously have a lot of fans, 'cause I, or, you know...
892.
Fox:
May I look?
893.
Potts:
Sure.
894.
Fox:
Because...
895.
Potts:
This is actually from today, if you want to take a look.
896.
Fox:
...if you look at...
897.
Potts:
You want to look at the comments, right?
898.
Fox:
...at the, just, no-no, um, this post, this was posted on...
899.
Potts:
Oh, the 12th.
900.
Fox:
...and you see it's only got 78 views.
901.
Potts:
78, oh, is that disappointing? 'Cause uh...
902.
Fox:
Well it doesn't mean...
903.
Potts:
...is this the first time you've s-like you've probably seen it since, 'cause this was printed this morning.
904.
Fox:
Oh no, but um, like I can have Liz, you know when I call Liz...
905.
Potts:
Oh...
906.
Fox:
...or somebody on the phone, and just...
907.
Potts:
...gotcha.
908.
Fox:
...oh, can you go to that website and tell me how many views are there?
909.
Potts:
Yeah-yeah.
910.
Fox:
But um, it's not that its disappointing, like, the news media isn't gonna do any coverage of anything related to me now, because if people hear about me in the news, and they think oh lets (pause)...
911.
Potts:
What's wrong?
912.
Fox:
...uh, oh, that's weird, uh, that...
913.
Potts:
I-I did print a pdf, so I don't...
914.
Fox:
No-no, but on the menu bar, usually it's down here...
915.
Potts:
...okay.
916.
Fox:
...but my understanding is whoever's updating this stuff, um, they enhanced it so that when you scroll down, the menu bar doesn't scroll off the top...
917.
Potts:
Oh, okay.
918.
Fox:
...like you said, what it does is it stops at the top of the window...
919.
Potts:
Oh, okay.
920.
Fox:
...so that the m-the menu bar...
921.
Potts:
Oh, that's nice.
922.
Fox:
...stays there, yeah.
923.
Potts:
That's clever.
924.
Fox:
And see the R v. FOX stuff is very critical and important and so they highlight it in red, like...
925.
Potts:
Yeah, website. Um...
926.
Fox:
...but um, just because there's only seventy-eight views here doesn't mean that only seventy-eight people have gone to the website, um, it just means that only seventy- eight people have read that blog post.
927.
Potts:
Oh, okay.
928.
Fox:
A lot of people might've like, come and read this other stuff.
929.
Potts:
Yeah-yeah, gotcha. (Pause). I remember um, well you're gonna see the RC, I remember the one thing you taught me, there's a few things I learned from you last time, was that you, or the person that creates the website, can see like, uh, details or specs about who's...
930.
Fox:
The access logs?
931.
Potts:
...yeah...
932.
Fox:
Yeah.
933.
Potts:
...who's visiting, from where, what computers, like you, so you'll see today that an RCMP computer, or would it say that? Or sorry, some, whoever the creator will see that there's an RCMP...
934.
Fox:
Whoever has access to the web hosting plan.
935.
Potts:
And it would say RCMP or something, or, or...
936.
Fox:
It would show the IP address...
937.
Potts:
Oh okay.
938.
Fox:
...and then from the IP address you can you an IP geo-locator service...
939.
Potts:
Okay.
940.
Fox:
...sorry, hang on.
941.
Potts:
Yeah. (Pause). Is better than the States, or worse? The food, and the coffee, or do they give you coffee?
942.
Fox:
Um, well the facility I was at, they give you a packet of instant coffee with breakfast...
943.
Potts:
Okay.
944.
Fox:
...it's horrible though.
945.
Potts:
Yeah.
946.
Fox:
But they sell instant coffee in the canteen anyway.
947.
Potts:
Okay.
948.
Fox:
But the jails here, they sell actual coffee grinds, and they have coffee machines in the housing units...
949.
Potts:
Yeah.
950.
Fox:
...so that's much better. Because real coffee is better...
951.
Potts:
Of course, yeah.
952.
Fox:
...than instant.
953.
Potts:
How would you rate this coffee?
954.
Fox:
Um, I would never go out of my way, to get and pay for this coffee...
955.
Potts:
(Chuckles).
956.
Fox:
...but, I-I'm a Starbuck's.
957.
Potts:
I-I tried this yesterday for the first time, the-I-I, I think I know where this coffee's comi-um this is a co-worker's, personal coffee that they're giving us so, I guess we can, appreciate.
958.
Fox:
This is a little flat, and a little bland.
959.
Potts:
Yeah, that's what I thought, it was a weak, I thought it was a little weak myself...
960.
Fox:
Yeah, yeah.
961.
Potts:
...but, yeah. Um...
962.
Fox:
But I'm appreciative, because...
963.
Potts:
Yeah, no, (inaudible)...
964.
Fox:
...(inaudible) me so.
965.
Potts:
Yeah-yeah, for sure.
966.
Fox:
Um, now okay, you were asking about, and then seeing the IP address...
967.
Potts:
Right.
968.
Fox:
...and being able to check, so (sighs), hypothetically, um, let's say if I had access to the hosting plan, I'd be able to log on right now with whoever it's hosted with, um, and look at the stats, and I'd be able to see the IP address of everybody who's been connecting and, how many uh, unique users per day, or unique IP addresses are going to it each day, you know.
969.
Potts:
Okay. (Pause). Um (sighs)...
970.
Fox:
Um, I was going to say, let's see, uh, I mentioned about the news media and how the Canadian news media...
971.
Potts:
Won't cover it.
972.
Fox:
...is, yeah, they're not gonna, I don't think their gonna have any coverage now, on it, especially when they see the kind of stuff on here. Um, see part of the reason the news media hated me when I was arrested back in 2016 is because I had those blog posts that, where I was critical of CBC and, you know I pointed the errors in the story...
973.
Potts:
Mm hmm.
974.
Fox:
...um, and so (sighs), they seem to have this idea that, oh as long as they keep uh, reporting about me then I'm just gonna give up and go away, but I don't. And then I end up writing more about them and going well look, then they got this wrong and this wrong and this wrong, and here they're completely lying about this. And so I think, now because of this here, oh and, there's another page on here, can you go to the...
975.
Potts:
Yeah.
976.
Fox:
...menu at the top, oh, over here...
977.
Potts:
Here.
978.
Fox:
...uh, random shit, I believe it is...
979.
Potts:
Yeah.
980.
Fox:
...that little arrow means it's a drop-down...
981.
Potts:
Okay.
982.
Fox:
...um, there's a thing in there, there's a page, where somebody had scoured the internet, found every news uh, article related to the case, and uh, you know CBCs original story and all, and (pause), put a copy of all of those news articles on that web page. So people can go to this website now and they can see this is how the news presented everything, now here's the actual website...
983.
Potts:
Mmm.
984.
Fox:
...and here's, you know, the-on the news they were saying, oh, it's a horrible website, full of, full of vile and, and terrible things that he's saying and it's all lies, and then, people can see that and go well wait a second, but it's actually true, CAPUANO actually admitted that she was a stripper, you remember before she went on the news and said oh it's all lies, I was never a stripper...
985.
Potts:
Okay.
986.
Fox:
...but when she was testifying, LAGEMAAT had got her to uh, admit that yes, she was actually a stripper, and yes, she did actually have a drug problem.
987.
Potts:
Okay. So you should actually, I mean, welcome, obviously the attention, the media attention I would, I would uh...
988.
Fox:
I...
989.
Potts:
...you're, 'cause...
990.
Fox:
...I would...
991.
Potts:
Yeah.
992.
Fox:
...because...
993.
Potts:
It would...
994.
Fox:
...well, actually I don't care about media attention in Canada...
995.
Potts:
Yeah.
996.
Fox:
...because that's not the target audience for the website. The target audience for the website is people who may come in contact with Desiree and, you know, to warn them, so they know what kind of person she is. Um, there's not a single person in Canada that I think will ever come in contact with Desiree...
997.
Potts:
Right.
998.
Fox:
...so you see this website is getting all this like, bad attention up here in Canada and all these soccer-moms are freaking out about it, and meanwhile it's like, yeah but, you're not even the intended audience...
999.
Potts:
Yeah.
1000.
Fox:
...it's, it's an issue between two foreign nationals, neither of whom have any connection to Canada, at all. Like, why do all these (pause), psychotic uh, what do you say uh, feminists up here...
1001.
Potts:
Feminists, yeah.
1002.
Fox:
...getting so angry about it, why don't they just mind their own business.
1003.
Potts:
Yeah.
1004.
Fox:
You have two Americans, that have some longstanding dispute going on, neither of them is actually breaking any laws, there's no threats of violence, nobody's harming anybody, um, she's doing stuff that is despicable and evil, but legal...
1005.
Potts:
Yeah.
1006.
Fox:
...I'm doing stuff that is, I don't think it's despicable or evil, all I'm doing is just publishing the truth about what happened...
1007.
Potts:
Mm hmm.
1008.
Fox:
...even on this R v. FOX page. There's no lies in any of this...
1009.
Potts:
No, no, for sure.
1010.
Fox:
And then there's like all this evidence at the bottom, the recordings and stuff.
1011.
Potts:
Yeah that's, so what I was, what I was going with there is, i-if you, if you have the evidence where you kinda contradict and, on the random shit pointing out the media's mistakes...
1012.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
1013.
Potts:
...you would obviously welcome people that is, you want people to see that.
1014.
Fox:
Mm hmm.
1015.
Potts:
Um, do you, have you found many people, like uh, uh, that are on your side, that have, you know I don't know if you have anybody...
1016.
Fox:
Yup. Lots.
1017.
Potts:
Yeah?
1018.
Fox:
Not surprisingly, mostly men...
1019.
Potts:
Yeah, huh.
1020.
Fox:
...but some of them are women.
1021.
Potts:
Really?
1022.
Fox:
Um, well even like the, the, some of the comments that people have posted, like in some of the...
1023.
Potts:
Okay.
1024.
Fox:
...log posts.
1025.
Potts:
Yeah.
1026.
Fox:
Um, you'll see sometimes there's a woman down there who'll be saying something about oh I hate women who act like this and try to take advantage of this kind of stuff, and they make it bad for the rest of us and, but um, yes I would definitely welcome the attention or the traffic, um, if people were going to go to the site and...
1027.
Potts:
Yeah.
1028.
Fox:
...that's kind of the purpose of the site is, to inform people.
1029.
Potts:
Right.
1030.
Fox:
Let me be perfectly clear on this, even though I was perfectly clear on this in court, but one thing I noticed about Justice HOLMES, once the conviction was, once the, the verdict came back, then any sense of fairness seemed to just go right out the window. After that point um, all this evidence I brought of CAPUANO committing perjury and stuff, um, and even, all these emails that, she looked at some of the emails, the judge I mean, and she admitted herself that yes, there's threatening conduct here, this is clearly relevant to uh, to this situation, but then when it comes time to, to give the, the sentencing, um, she makes no reference to any of that at all, and instead just goes on and on about oh, this poor Miss CAPUANO, and she had to endure all this stuff and you've been attacking her for years and years, and I'm going, what the f, why is it that everybody else can come with no evidence at all and everybody believes him. But I come with evidence, and people just disregard what I got. Anyway.
1031.
Potts:
Yeah and I had a question but so obviously you have some supporters or you have supporters you know ah with a legal background or kind of um, in policing anything like that has come forward to talk to help you or to talk to you?
1032.
Fox:
No.
1033.
Potts:
Okay. I am curious to know ye, ah I'm finding it hard to believe that somebody you said somebody's ah essentially is an insider that's leaking information to you.
1034.
Fox:
Mmm hmm.
1035.
Potts:
Um, ah you didn't just make copies of that material yourself before you gave it back? Or did you not have the means and ability to do that like when did you have to give that back to,
1036.
Fox:
Um, I had to give the laptop back.
1037.
Potts:
That's okay that's,
1038.
Fox:
Friday. Well yeah I, well okay once the appeal started well,
1039.
Potts:
Yeah.
1040.
Fox:
First, the first time they gave me the disclosure was on ah a hard drive and then when I was at North Fraser ah,
1041.
Potts:
Yeah.
1042.
Fox:
Prior to the sentencing, um I could access it that way via the external hard drive I would plug it in and I could access it on the laptop that the jail provided.
1043.
Potts:
Okay.
1044.
Fox:
As soon as I was sentenced then the Crown had the jail take that ah hard drive back. Um, but then I said but for the appeal I'm gonna need this ah disclosure material as well like I need a copy of the website 'cause I need to reference stuff and there's lots of e-mails in there that you know prove that she's lying you know. Um, so then ah the BC Prosecution Services which handles the appeals, um agreed to provide me a laptop and the disclosure material was on the hard drive of the laptop. Um, so instead of an external hard drive. And so that laptop was given back the Friday before I was released I was released on Sunday I believe it was.
1045.
Potts:
Okay.
1046.
Fox:
Um and on the Friday before that the someone from the jail came and took that back.
1047.
Potts:
Took it away. Okay.
1048.
Fox:
So I would have had no way of copying it from there.
1049.
Potts:
Okay. And then um,
1050.
Fox:
But you could tell yourself that it's just not possible there's no way that somebody could have given him copies of this stuff so he must have made copies from the material that, and that's fine.
1051.
Potts:
Okay
1052.
Fox:
What I'm saying is you can, you can (indecipherable)
1053.
Potts:
I can think, yeah.
1054.
Fox:
Yeah.
1055.
Potts:
Do you still, do you still communicate with that person whoever the, the, the insider?
1056.
Fox:
Obviously I'm not gonna answer that.
1057.
Potts:
Okay. Okay. Okay well I think I'll step out for a sec um, do you want anything else? Do you want another coffee?
1058.
Fox:
I would like a cigarette. Everybody always thinks I'm joking.
1059.
Potts:
You smoke?
1060.
Fox:
Of course for 2 1⁄2 weeks I didn't smoke because there's no cigarettes in jail.
1061.
Potts:
Oh.
1062.
Fox:
And so as soon as I got released on December 30th, because it's kind of a, a symbol of freedom.
1063.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1064.
Fox:
Since we can't smoke in jail.
1065.
Potts:
I don't remember you smoking.
1066.
Fox:
Oh yeah don't you remember before I had made a comment about um when the coffee came and I said ah, I don't suppose you have a cigarette and then you said that you don't think anybody here smokes.
1067.
Potts:
Yeah.
1068.
Fox:
(indecipherable)
1069.
Potts:
I'll check I'll definitely check um,
1070.
Fox:
I, I, I wouldn't expect you I mean if it materialized
1071.
Potts:
(indecipherable)
1072.
Fox:
That would be great and,
1073.
Potts:
No, no I'll ask. Um yeah so give me a couple minutes. I'll see if I can find a cigarette.
1074.
Fox:
Sure don't forget to leave your recorder here and leave it on because you guys think that sometimes when we're alone in the room,
1075.
Potts:
You'll talk and say something.
1076.
Fox:
We might say oh ya, I'm the guy I'm the one armed man.
1077.
Potts:
Yeah. Yup, yeah.
1078.
Fox:
Yeah.
1079.
(Cst. POTTS leaves and then re-enters room)
1080.
Fox:
Oh my goodness.
1081.
Potts:
Yeah we just gotta wait um they're processing somebody. Couple minutes and then we can go.
1082.
Fox:
You really are a decent person.
1083.
Potts:
Thank you I tred. Ah,
1084.
Fox:
Really I acknowledge that is going out on a limb.
1085.
Potts:
Yeah? Why?
1086.
Fox:
For sure I mean 'cause I know it's a no smoking facility and (indecipherable)
1087.
Potts:
Yeah well no we, we have done it we do it um,
1088.
Fox:
Oh.
1089.
Potts:
Yeah.
1090.
Fox:
You shouldn't tell me that because I mean here you know you were up here and..
1091.
Potts:
Oh.
1092.
Fox:
And when you tell me you do it for other people to and it's like oh well.
1093.
Potts:
Well I should finish that, we do it, we do do it in some cases but ah,
1094.
Fox:
Only for your favorite clients right?
1095.
Potts:
Only for my favorite clients yeah. Everyone's my favorite client this is what I do right I, I speak to people so. Um, again no like you're putting you're caveat, this isn't, I'm not expecting anything,
1096.
Fox:
Of course, of course.
1097.
Potts:
Yeah this is just to, I know you've been in custody for a while and you've always been good with me,
1098.
Fox:
(indecipherable)
1099.
Potts:
Yeah you've always been good with me so um and I'm not expecting you to run if that door gets opened so.
1100.
Fox:
Oh yeah.
1101.
Potts:
Ah 'cause I went for a run today so I'm feelin' like I can run too so,
1102.
Fox:
Oh.
1103.
Potts:
If we had to, if we had to go ah, um.
1104.
Fox:
Before I forget um I should point out, oh, how should I say this? Okay. If I comply with the probation conditions. I remain in British Columbia. It forces me to be homeless and penniless I can't get a bank account or anything I have no social insurance number. Now I could use someone else's social insurance number but that would be illegal so then I'm violating the probation again um so that's one option is to stay in British Columbia for 3 years but be homeless moving from one shelter to another and completely penniless and everything um or, spend 3 years in jail because of violation probation or something. Um do you see how it's,
1105.
Potts:
Yeah.
1106.
Fox:
it's kind, of course the other option is go back to the United States, take my chances with that um, like gee I could be homeless or I could be in jail at least in jail I've got meals coming in oh at fixed times I don't have to worry about that or like where I'm gonna sleep and all. Or I could be homeless. It's a totally fucked up situation that, and I brought this up with the Judge at the time of sentencing. Um.
1107.
Potts:
Do you have like ah like how are you getting around like how did you get to the, the, to the border like were you able to,
1108.
Fox:
Ah I took the public transit I have a compass card. I took the public transit to the closest point was it like White Rock or something I think and then from there I walked.
1109.
Potts:
Okay um like ah do you, I guess you don't have a car or any means (indecipherable)
1110.
Fox:
No car up here.
1111.
Potts:
Yeah.
1112.
Fox:
Um everything is so expensive oh God when I got back to the US and I was in the jail. And I'm looking to order some stuff on ah commissary right and I see candy bars and I'm ahh I'll have a candy bar.
1113.
Potts:
Yeah.
1114.
Fox:
90 cents. And I'm goin',
1115.
Potts:
Ah.
1116.
Fox:
And that's jail prices which are usually a little bit more expensive than on the street.
1117.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah.
1118.
Fox:
And I'm goin' holy friggin' it's a buck 55 or,
1119.
Potts:
Buck 50 yeah, yeah,
1120.
Fox:
A buck 60 for a candy bar up here.
1121.
Potts:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
1122.
Fox:
Everything up here, cigarettes..
1123.
Potts:
Everything,
1124.
Fox:
15 bucks a pack and,
1125.
Potts:
I know.
1126.
Fox:
Gas and,
1127.
Potts:
Yeah 'cause what's cigarettes are in the States are?
1128.
Fox:
Depends on which state um my friend in Los Angeles tells me there they're about 8 or 9 bucks a pack right now.
1129.
Potts:
Okay.
1130.
Fox:
That's more on the expensive side.
1131.
Potts:
Is she just a friend or, or are you guys in a more relationship or?
1132.
Fox:
Nothing intimate just friends.
1133.
Potts:
Okay.
1134.
Fox:
um some states like Virginia or Georgia. They're much, much cheaper I mean,
1135.
Potts:
Yeah.
1136.
Fox:
It's been years since I've been there but ah, back in the day when they were about like 3.50 a pack in California, in Georgia there were like a buck 80 or something.
1137.
Potts:
Oh. Oh God.
1138.
Fox:
When I was driving through one time.
1139.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah, huh. Is um, like would there ever be a, would you ever with Liz, ever been anything more than just friends or?
1140.
Fox:
No. No. Never anything more and there never would be um I have no interest in relationships or anything anymore.
1141.
Potts:
Oh really?
1142.
Fox:
It's, it's, I mean first of all um, sorry I have to remember it's being recorded and.
1143.
Potts:
Of course yeah everything on the.
1144.
Fox:
Chances are eventually, it's going to end up on a website,
1145.
Potts:
Everything's on the record.
1146.
Fox:
So I have to think like okay what do I not care if the public hears. Um, no there's never been any kinda relationship we're just very good friends um mainly because of Gabriel she took care of Gabriel like when Gabriel was a year and a half, he started going to the preschool where she was working um and that's how we met.
1147.
Potts:
Okay yeah.
1148.
Fox:
And then when I was in homeland security custody ah in Arizona she was takin' care of Gabriel um but then we just stayed very good friends and,
1149.
Potts:
Do you guys have like similar ah, like is she a tech, techy person or?
1150.
Fox:
No. We have very little in common.
1151.
Potts:
Okay. Okay. Um,
1152.
Fox:
And I cannot tell you anything more about Liz 'cause I'm getting suspicious why you're asking all these questions about Liz.
1153.
Potts:
Oh no I'm not.
1154.
Fox:
Even though I realize she's outside of Canada's jurisdiction so there's really nothing you guys can do and.
1155.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah for sure.
1156.
Fox:
Of course you could, call the ATF and say oh we think he's got more guns and they're at this place but I think after what happen with the last trial and all I think ATF would probably just go what, stop bugging us with your petty nonsense.
1157.
Potts:
Yeah they don't care about guns as much.
1158.
Fox:
Did you hear the testim.. well no it's just ah (indecipherable) the ATF guy that testified?
1159.
Potts:
No I didn't,
1160.
Fox:
Um,
1161.
Potts:
I didn't.
1162.
Fox:
Right, right 'cause yeah you're a witness so you're not allowed to hear other witness testimony.
1163.
Potts:
Yeah and I,
1164.
Fox:
But um,
1165.
Potts:
I have so many, I have so many files that I get involved with,
1166.
Fox:
Mmm hmm.
1167.
Potts:
Unfortunately, I can't, ah,
1168.
Fox:
It was,
1169.
Potts:
Remember everything.
1170.
Fox:
It was very clear from his testimony that ah he thought that this whole thing was a joke, that it was a stupid waste of ATF's time to have agents go down there and seize these 4 handguns and, that were all fully registered and there's no history of violence no reason to think I was gonna go to Arizona and do anything to anyone. And then on top of that, making a huge deal about 4 registered handguns from Canada. But what about the other non-registered guns from the United States. I mean when I lived in Arizona I didn't register the, the handguns I brought there 'cause there is no registration.
1171.
Potts:
Okay.
1172.
Fox:
But everyone's making a big deal, oh he's gonna use his 4 Canadian guns to go kill her. Why wouldn't I use a non-registered gun from the United States I mean.
1173.
Potts:
Yeah.
1174.
Fox:
Whole thing is retarded anyway.
1175.
Potts:
Okay.
1176.
Fox:
But um, so.
1177.
Potts:
Like so you said um, ah chances are this might end up in a website ah do you get it through like ATIP like is your plan to like ATIP it? Or, or how would you,
1178.
Fox:
Access to information and privacy usually does not ah provide copies of audio recordings and video recordings.
1179.
Potts:
Yeah.
1180.
Fox:
Um, but again I'm not going to say anything further about how I may or may not have gotten any of the material that I've gotten so far. Oh you have the, can you pull up the R V FOX page.
1181.
Potts:
Yeah.
1182.
Fox:
Ah in there I don't know if you noticed it but ah go down toward the bottom where it's got the table with ah all of the material.
1183.
Potts:
I kind of mixed all this up here.
1184.
Fox:
Here let me um,
1185.
Potts:
You probably know this better.
1186.
Fox:
Yeah, the order they should be in.
1187.
Potts:
Yeah.
1188.
Fox:
I seen it once or twice.
1189.
Potts:
I bet.
1190.
Fox:
Okay so the top is the narrative.
1191.
Potts:
Yeah.
1192.
Fox:
There's part of the narrative. Part of the nar - wow that's a lot of narrative.
1193.
Potts:
Yeah.
1194.
Fox:
Jesus fuck this guy writes too much.
1195.
Potts:
Right he does.
1196.
Fox:
But it's better to have more.
1197.
Potts:
But he's funny that's for sure.
1198.
(knock on the door)
1199.
Potts:
Alright, we can go for a smoke, here you wanna show me? (aside: Okay thanks)
1200.
Fox:
Okay well that's all of the narrative anyway it's not ah and in here we have, ah see. Ah RCMP ah RCMP interviews okay. Ah not those ones. 2016-07-13 is what I'm lookin' for right here. This is the one and it says in the comments here this is the one that the Crown refused to provide me a copy of this is the one where Desiree's laughing and joking with the RCMP. Um this is the one that proves that the RCMP and the Crown should have known that she was lying and that she was full of shit about the whole thing because I mean if she's laughing and joking about it well she couldn't have been too serious.
1201.
Potts:
Um so Mark, the, our Crown refused to give you that.
1202.
Fox:
Oh yeah. Everything else, like he was willing to disclose to me but that one he came right out in court and said we will not give Mr. FOX a copy of this audio recording.
1203.
Potts:
Okay.
1204.
Fox:
Um which of course, further proves that he knows that it, showed that ah they should have known, ah but the other thing I wanted to, ah right here. This is, yeah this is the one where you were interviewing me right?
1205.
Potts:
Right, right.
1206.
Fox:
Yeah so. This is the actual audio, the transcript of that and the video and the audio. Now the video originally the audio of it was very, very poor. But ah some masterminds were able to,
1207.
Potts:
Oh I, I know. I was,
1208.
Fox:
Oh you watched it.
1209.
Potts:
I watched it and ah, I mean there's only a few people that would know that somebody did something to that and I actually liked what they did to it. I'm not gonna lie I saw It, I didn't pick up on it right away.
1210.
Fox:
Mmm hmm.
1211.
Potts:
But when it, when I exited.
1212.
Fox:
Oh (indecipherable) or, oh.
1213.
Potts:
When it was exit, I'm like, hey wait a minute. That's what I want um no bull shit like that's what we, I want to have happen with all of our interviews.
1214.
Fox:
Mmm.
1215.
Potts:
Um budget and whatnot you know we'd have to change I guess um we'd have to change whatever how we do things.
1216.
Fox:
Your microphone is horrible.
1217.
Potts:
Yeah.
1218.
Fox:
Wherever you have it.
1219.
Potts:
But I don't even know how they would do that because honestly that's what I've asked for this many times as a part of our interview team like I don't even know how you would, overlay ah I don't know what you call it but.
1220.
Fox:
Well I'll tell you what. When I'm no longer looking at charges and going back to North Fraser and all this kind of crap, maybe I'll tell you how that was done.
1221.
Potts:
Okay. Okay. But I did notice that I, I actually you know what I wasn't sure if, it was, I mean I had to remember I'm like did somebody else do that when during the trial and I'm like I don't think so.
1222.
Fox:
No. Even um the copy that I received ah the audio was horrible.
1223.
Potts:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on out.
1224.
Fox:
Even um, a copy that I received ah the audio was horrible.
1225.
Potts:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Comin' out. Just gonna make sure it's clear here. We're good, alright.
1226.
UF:
Yeah (indecipherable)
1227.
UM:
Hold on, hold on.
1228.
Potts:
We're just gonna go this way, we're good this way.
1229.
UF:
Oh. Okay.
1230.
Potts:
Well this is,
1231.
UF:
Okay I'll see ya there.
1232.
Potts:
Hey Derek.
1233.
UM:
Yeah.
1234.
Potts:
We'll just be in here.
1235.
UM:
Yeah.
1236.
Potts:
And then we're gonna, we'll just be a couple minutes.
1237.
UM:
I'll be here.
1238.
Potts:
Yeah sure.
1239.
Fox:
Thank you.
1240.
Potts:
Yeah go ahead.
1241.
Fox:
Oh you wouldn't mind you givin' my thanks to where you got them from.
1242.
Potts:
I will definitely man. Um,
1243.
Fox:
Could we stand over here,
1244.
Potts:
Yeah.
1245.
Fox:
(indecipherable) smoke is.
1246.
Potts:
Fair enough.
1247.
Fox:
Ah cuz they know we're probably not supposed to smoke in here.
1248.
Potts:
Ah yeah it's okay. And we probably do, sometimes,
1249.
Fox:
To get an amazing head rush.
1250.
Potts:
We do ah, as long as one of the ah officers doesn't walk through right now and,
1251.
Fox:
Mmm.
1252.
Potts:
They won't say anything now but they may (indecipherable) that's okay I'll just (indecipherable) um,
1253.
Fox:
Is the recorder on?
1254.
Potts:
It's on yeah it's always on.
1255.
Fox:
Oh.
1256.
Potts:
It's everything's on record. I, we don't, I don't do anything off record everything's on record.
1257.
Fox:
I like it that way.
1258.
Potts:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um,
1259.
Fox:
Oh sorry.
1260.
Potts:
No, no that's okay don't worry it's alright it's not that bad actually.
1261.
Fox:
See now I'm getting dizzy.
1262.
Potts:
Oh really?
1263.
Fox:
It's the first cigarette in 2 1⁄2 weeks.
1264.
Potts:
Oh okay.
1265.
Potts:
Yeah.
1266.
Fox:
I had ah some nicotine gym with me when I,
1267.
Fox:
When I went and um, they let me keep that.
1268.
(Emergency in the front counter interview room members please respond.)
1269.
Fox:
What?
1270.
(Emergency in the front counter interview room...)
1271.
Potts:
Yeah.
1272.
(Members please respond.)
1273.
Potts:
That's, somebody's hit a panic button.
1274.
Fox:
Oh okay.
1275.
Potts:
In one of the interview rooms in all our interview rooms are panic buttons.
1276.
Fox:
Yeah.
1277.
Potts:
Ah so there could be a fight in there right now. I can't go obviously. Someone, there's, it'll be, a stampede of people running.
1278.
Fox:
Okay.
1279.
Potts:
Not (indecipherable)
1280.
Fox:
(indecipherable) by there because,
1281.
Potts:
No, no, no.
1282.
Fox:
(indecipherable) go from there.
1283.
Potts:
No we won't see those.
1284.
Fox:
Ooh.
1285.
Potts:
Ah yeah you can have a couple of them don't worry.
1286.
Fox:
I don't wanna take up all your time I know,
1287.
Potts:
No it's okay.
1288.
Fox:
Gotta lean against the wall, I'm dizzy head rush.
1289.
Potts:
Oh really eh? What is the (indecipherable) that must feel good eh?
1290.
Fox:
Um,
1291.
Potts:
It'll be like havin' coff, not havin' a coffee for a couple weeks and then, or no? Different?
1292.
Fox:
Um it's very different because it hits ya very quick I mean,
1293.
Potts:
Yeah.
1294.
Fox:
I'm already getting a head rush from that.
1295.
Potts:
Wow.
1296.
Fox:
(indecipherable) start getting kinda dizzy.
1297.
Potts:
You must be, ah you're havin' coffee (indecipherable) coffee this, head rush? You're okay though right?
1298.
Fox:
Oh yeah. Hands get numb.
1299.
Potts:
Oh wow. Oh don't worry it's fine it's,
1300.
Fox:
(indecipherable)
1301.
Potts:
Ah, yeah.
1302.
Fox:
(indecipherable)
1303.
Potts:
Sure.
1304.
Fox:
(indecipherable)
1305.
Potts:
Just ah it's fine (indecipherable) so here (indecipherable)
1306.
Fox:
Oh sure you (indecipherable) I'm not pregnant so don't worry.
1307.
Potts:
Yeah. So Mark, um,
1308.
Fox:
Mark.
1309.
Potts:
MEYER um.
1310.
Fox:
Or you can just call him MEYER I do call him MEYER.
1311.
Potts:
MEYER yeah. Like they, ah, ah,
1312.
Fox:
I so wanted to get a picture of him ah.
1313.
Potts:
Yeah.
1314.
Fox:
At that last probation hearing right? I was out there with my phone I had it on video use the video quality of my phone is quite good so I figured I'd just get a video like that one and then take some frames from that but.
1315.
Potts:
Yeah.
1316.
Fox:
He's hanging out inside the courtroom normally he would leave right away right? And this and I'm thinkin' why is he hangin' out in the courtroom and then I just went ah fuck it.
1317.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah nice. Well I don't think there's any ah, knock on wood and I don't, I'm not tryin' to challenge you. But I hope I'm (indecipherable) you know whatever you do but I don't think there's anything of me on there. Not that I can find.
1318.
Fox:
Nah, nah you, those, you, well, well as you can see from the things that I've written in the book, okay I've written I didn't publish um,
1319.
Potts:
Yeah.
1320.
Fox:
I never said anything disparaging about the people that,
1321.
Potts:
I keep seeing something about ah, ah,
1322.
Fox:
Ah that, didn't act like dicks or do anything ah yourself, Susanne ELLIOTT um,
1323.
Potts:
Heather. MONTAGLIANI.
1324.
Fox:
Oh yeah, yeah her.
1325.
Potts:
The hottie. I, I um, I message her today.
1326.
Fox:
Oh fuck she's comin' back quick.
1327.
Potts:
No, no, no. She didn't know about it either so.
1328.
Fox:
Oh no?
1329.
Potts:
No. Ah. Um, yeah. I'm so ah I am cur, I mean, I find it hard to believe that, I mean but I mean I don't see why you would lie that you did have somebody give that to you but ah, the, the material you're saying?
1330.
Fox:
That's fine.
1331.
Potts:
Yeah.
1332.
Fox:
But you can rack your brain trying to figure out how else I could have gotten it because even the hard drive in the laptop that ah, BC Prosecution Services provided was encrypted and can only be unencrypted from that laptop so.
1333.
Potts:
And what, what's that the, sorry.
1334.
Fox:
The, the hard drive like,
1335.
Potts:
Okay.
1336.
Fox:
In the laptop remember I said they put it on the hard drive?
1337.
Potts:
Right yeah.
1338.
Fox:
Um so even if I was to take that hard drive out of there.
1339.
Potts:
Yeah.
1340.
Fox:
The hard drive itself is encrypted.
1341.
Potts:
Okay.
1342.
Fox:
So if I was to put it into another machine or something I wouldn't be able to read it.
1343.
Potts:
But don't you, and obviously knock on wood I've never been ah defe, defended myself um, I know you said that you had, that you get all the ah material. Usually a lawyer gets it.
1344.
Fox:
Usually.
1345.
Potts:
Yeah. But you got all the material and then they said you had to give it back, all that material before you were released.
1346.
Fox:
Yep when I was sentenced I had to give back all of the, CDs or DVDs and ah, external hard drive.
1347.
Potts:
Okay.
1348.
Fox:
Um,
1349.
Potts:
But did your defense counsel not get it originally like,
1350.
Fox:
Didn't have one, ah who which one like what,
1351.
Potts:
Lagemaat.
1352.
Fox:
I think they gave Lagemaat yeah, yeah they gave Lagemaat copy of all that stuff too.
1353.
Potts:
Okay.
1354.
Fox:
And he's a very corrupt crooked lawyer so ah it's possible he might be engaging in something like that. But see if I'd gotten it from him, I would have openly said so because then that would show him further.
1355.
Potts:
Yeah.
1356.
Fox:
That he was corrupt um,
1357.
Potts:
Did you get it from a police officer?
1358.
Fox:
Can't tell ya.
1359.
Potts:
(laughs). Alright (indecipherable).
1360.
Fox:
No, no the person should always walk in front ah security safety thing.
1361.
Potts:
Oh thank you I, I trust you but ah I appreciate it thanks.
1362.
Fox:
(laughs)
1363.
(knocking sound)
1364.
Potts:
I'll tell him to crack that bay.
1365.
Fox:
Yeah.
1366.
Potts:
Maybe wanna, if you, yeah if you wanna crack it ah cuz it smells in there obviously thanks though. Thanks.
1367.
Fox:
Thanks.
1368.
UM:
No problem. I gotta bust balls ah for anyone it's gonna be ah Cpl. POTTS.
1369.
Potts:
(chuckles). Ah now you've done it.
1370.
Fox:
(indecipherable)
1371.
Potts:
Now you're gonna let Patrick know I've ah, or Mr. FOX. Recently promoted.
1372.
Fox:
Thank you.
1373.
Potts:
Thanks.
1374.
Fox:
Thanks. Also, I would never publish anything about anyone that I wasn't able to prove, um so you'll notice that the wording in there um I don't make any allegations against anybody like Lagemaat or MYHRE unless there's proof of it.
1375.
Potts:
Yeah gotcha.
1376.
Fox:
So, neither of them can come back ah and claim defamation because the proof is all right there I mean,
1377.
Potts:
Yeah. Gotcha. Um,
1378.
Fox:
There was another thing I wanted to point out as well but ah I forget I'll, um I suspect eventually at some point there's going to be some investigation into everything that went on in my case and um, yeah I think some heads are gonna roll but.
1379.
Potts:
Um is there anything else you can think of that you wanna talk about? That, that you wanna, air in here?
1380.
Fox:
Mmm. Not that I can think of no.
1381.
Potts:
Okay. And,
1382.
Fox:
Oh. No matter what happens, of this, ah now HOLMES of course the, the Judge ah she's gonna throw the book at me for this ah whatever evidence I bring to support whatever I'm claiming, she's gonna completely disregard it and she'll, grant whatever MYHRE's asking for they'll probably give me 2 years for the probation violations um, none of that is going to have any effect on the website. Putting me in jail is not gonna cause the website to come down um, once the probation is over um, then I'm just gonna leave the country again and I'm sure Homeland Security will probably try the same thing they'll probably try to find some way to get the RCMP to request that I come back here or as they call it, oh. Oh another thing you'll notice ah that was published in there. The e-mails between Homeland Security the RCMP and CBSA.
1383.
Potts:
Yeah.
1384.
Fox:
In those e-mails it clearly shows that Homeland Security was trying to get the RCMP to request that I be sent back here. The RCMP was saying well we looked at the website there's nothing illegal on there ah we're just concerned about the gun could you guys interview him and find out where his ah where his guns are. Um and then Homeland Security, refused to do that even though I was in their custody I mean they could have just come and asked me. Um instead because they wanted to use that as a way to bring me back so the deportation officer even said in the e-mail that I have, that there's no documents ah birth certificate or anything um that they could use to deport me to Canada and if they make me a subject of interest to the RCMP, that would probably be the way to go and then they can bring me to the border and just hope that the Canadian authorities will allow me to enter.
1385.
Potts:
Have you thought about um, I, I know you got caught like last time you were nabbed trying to jump it and had that crossed your mind to, to jump the border or to run.
1386.
Fox:
It had crossed my mind but then I thought you know what I'm just gonna do everything completely above board I'm just gonna go right into the CBP office and show them the documentation and say here's what 's going on, I'm not trying to sneak in I'm not trying to do anything, do what you gotta do.
1387.
Potts:
Any regrets?
1388.
Fox:
No.
1389.
Potts:
Okay.
1390.
Fox:
Um because I come back here I'll deal with this stuff um probably be in jail for, few years or something and then I'll get out and ah, if there's still some probation time left then I'll finish up that probation time. And then probation will end and I'll just leave.
1391.
Potts:
Um I know you didn't, you said that you're homeless but how are you ah like acquire ah obviously you have a tablet and a cell phone.
1392.
Fox:
The cell phone and tablet I had from before I was arrested.
1393.
Potts:
Okay.
1394.
Fox:
Um, I had those when you interviewed me previously in 2016.
1395.
Potts:
Oh okay.
1396.
Fox:
The same tablet and phone.
1397.
Potts:
Oh wow okay they look similar,
1398.
Fox:
Um,
1399.
Potts:
I, I didn't realize, they didn't look that old I would have expected,
1400.
Fox:
Well I bought, I bought the phone in December no January 2016.
1401.
Potts:
Yeah.
1402.
Fox:
And then I was arrested in May, May 27th, and then sat in my property at the jail for 2 1⁄2 years.
1403.
Potts:
Okay so (indecipherable)
1404.
Fox:
Same as the tablet.
1405.
Potts:
Okay. What kinda phone,
1406.
Fox:
Um,
1407.
Potts:
Is it an Iphone.
1408.
Fox:
Motorola.
1409.
Potts:
Oh Motorola.
1410.
Fox:
Yeah.
1411.
Potts:
Okay.
1412.
Fox:
Brand loyalty.
1413.
Potts:
Oh.
1414.
Fox:
Use Motorola all my life except for a period,
1415.
Potts:
Oh yeah.
1416.
Fox:
Where I was using Palm Trio.
1417.
Potts:
Oh okay.
1418.
Fox:
Back in 2006, 2007.
1419.
Potts:
Do they make a tablet Motorola or?
1420.
Fox:
Ah well Motorola sold the mobile division to Lenovo.
1421.
Potts:
Okay.
1422.
Fox:
The green company my tablet is a Lenovo as well.
1423.
Potts:
Okay.
1424.
Fox:
Um, and so the phone now is Lenovo like the new operating system that's on it.
1425.
Potts:
Okay.
1426.
Fox:
But um, and let's see any other pocket money that I've had the 2 1⁄2 months ah since I was released, I had excellent credit before I was arrested now my credit rating is completely destroyed but ah,
1427.
Potts:
Yeah.
1428.
Fox:
So I had credit cards and such from before. So that gave me some pocket money.
1429.
Potts:
Gotcha okay. Um, what I suspect might happen is those um, since VPD right now is holding that ah, that um, potential breach for the website.
1430.
Fox:
Mmm hmm.
1431.
Potts:
They may request those tablet and cellphone do, what do you think they're gonna find on there?
1432.
Fox:
Nothing.
1433.
Potts:
Okay.
1434.
Fox:
Like I said, I would be smart enough not to have anything on me or anything that can be found that would be incriminating in any way um the notes that you have there, um there's nothing in there that suggests or proves anything I mean there is ah, I,I don't know if you have them there I'm sure you do but I bought a tablet while I was in the jail um writing pad.
1435.
Potts:
Oh yeah.
1436.
Fox:
Um, and there's a list of a bunch of things on there that ah,
1437.
Potts:
I think I have a few things here.
1438.
Fox:
Additions and such.
1439.
Potts:
Yeah. Ah yes to the website?
1440.
Fox:
Yeah. Um even that proves absolutely nothing because this is just stuff that ah I wanna add to the website um if it's adding to the website and published after the probation is finished then there's no violation.
1441.
Potts:
Okay.
1442.
Fox:
Like there's nothing in here saying this is stuff I'm going to add next week or,
1443.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1444.
Fox:
So I,
1445.
Potts:
I, I mean, I'll be honest obviously I think you're running the website definitely I know your writing you, you've ah you've admitted that you're writing the material.
1446.
Fox:
Mmm hmm.
1447.
Potts:
Ah based on everything um I think you're definitely publishing it you're a really smart guy and you probably have a way of, um you talked about servers and whatnot and Icleand think it was or whatnot (indecipherable)
1448.
Fox:
Yeah.
1449.
Potts:
Um I think that's what's going on now.
1450.
Fox:
That's fine.
1451.
Potts:
But um, is, is that what 's going on right now? (indecipherable) tell me.
1452.
Fox:
I decline to answer.
1453.
Potts:
I know.
1454.
Fox:
But you'll notice ah see all these Foyer requests in here.
1455.
Potts:
Yeah.
1456.
Fox:
Um dealing with CBC and ICE.
1457.
Potts:
Okay.
1458.
Fox:
You'll also notice, there's nothing in here that is anything along the lines of any kind of threat or to harm Desiree or anyone else in any way other than to publish the truth and the proof of stuff they've done.
1459.
Potts:
Okay. What would you like, what's your, what's, what do you go to bed at night thinking about Desiree. What do you want to see happen to her?
1460.
Fox:
I, I don't, I don't wanna see anything happen to her I just want, everybody else to see um behind this façade that she puts up um, and as I've said over and over and over um yes I would love to destroy her life and ruin her completely. But only by exposing the truth about her. And I think that that would be the best way to mmm, I don't wanna say harm but ah, to get back at somebody like Desiree because she's able to do what she does by lying and cheating and putting on this sad face and crying and getting people's sympathy (indecipherable) but um (indecipherable) this new website is up it's way more damaging to her because I mean all the proof of the perjury and stuff any potential employer would see that and they would go well wait a second she says this here that she never published this, these pictures of (indecipherable) in his underwear on her Facebook page. But here's her Facebook page, here's the pictures she's clearly lying about that. And when you listen to the recording of the court proceedings, there she is in court crying to the jury about how oh it's so horrible that Sage would have to go through all of this. But she's the one that did it. And then she said in her testimony, I did not publish these pictures on my Facebook page. But she did it's right there.
1461.
Potts:
Is that on the new website those pictures or on the old one the Sage in the underwear?
1462.
Fox:
Um the original the old website, had the pictures of Sage in his underwear but they came from her Facebook page.
1463.
Potts:
Okay.
1464.
Fox:
Um and if you look at the names the file names of the actual images you'll see they start with FB and then there's a number. All of those pictures that start with FB, came from her Facebook page that's why they're named like that.
1465.
Potts:
Okay.
1466.
Fox:
Um the other ones start with IMG. IMG those pictures came from ah like a mobile device or something.
1467.
Potts:
Oh okay.
1468.
Fox:
Um the new website, Sage has been completely removed from it and the reason for that as I've said to MYHRE and Lagemaat before and I don't know if I mentioned it to you at our previous interview. The reason I had put Sage on the website before. Was to show everybody that um, she doesn't care about protecting her children she cares about how she can use them to get their sympathy. And then you look at her testimony at the trial where she was crying and saying how horrible it was. But there's not a single e-mail from her asking me to take Sage off the website.
1469.
Potts:
Okay.
1470.
Fox:
Or even from her lawyer he, she never asked her lawyer to ask me to remove Sage from the website. She didn't care what she wanted was Sage on the website she, so she can go oh feel sorry for me because look at this horrible man just put our, put my son on there. It wasn't done to harm Sage in any way and,
1471.
Potts:
Yeah. Thee ah, no that's not why I'm asking I don't have an angle or an agenda there ah, the, one thing I'm curious about that all that material the audio the video,
1472.
Fox:
Mmm hmm.
1473.
Potts:
Um, ah would that not require an absolute kind of um, what do they call it? Bandwidth is that it? To, to be able to store that?
1474.
Fox:
Oh okay um well there's the storage space on the servers.
1475.
Potts:
Yeah.
1476.
Fox:
Ah like on the hard drives. Um, and then the bandwidth would be if somebody goes to the website and plays one of the videos.
1477.
Potts:
Yeah.
1478.
Fox:
And that would, require bandwidth.
1479.
Potts:
Okay.
1480.
Fox:
Um so it,
1481.
Potts:
Like to store it all like does, wouldn't that be like 100s or ah (indecipherable) and I don't know.
1482.
Fox:
Trying to remember like the entire website I believe with all the audio and the video and all the news media stuff, somewhere around 6 or 7 gigabytes.
1483.
Potts:
Okay.
1484.
Fox:
So it's pretty large.
1485.
Potts:
That's pretty large yeah.
1486.
Fox:
Mmm hmm.
1487.
Potts:
What would an average website be like ah, ah,
1488.
Fox:
I don't' know.
1489.
Potts:
Okay. Yeah I've never created a website. I've always wanted to but.. Actually I did try but one time but. Um, okay. Um can I pop out for one more second?
1490.
Fox:
Hmm?
1491.
Potts:
(indecipherable)
1492.
Fox:
You don't need to ask.
1493.
Potts:
Yeah well I don't wanna be ah,
1494.
Fox:
I'm not in a position to say no.
1495.
Potts:
I'm quite polite, no, no I'm, I'm usually pretty polite so. (indecipherable). I can take your ah, dishes too.
1496.
Fox:
Oh sure thank you.
1497.
Potts:
Take my wallet. Ah better take these too.
1498.
Fox:
(indecipherable) there's a camera.
1499.
Potts:
I don't wanna tease ya though.
1500.
Fox:
Oh no, no.
1501.
Potts:
Okay.
1502.
(Cst. POTTS leaves the room)
1503.
Fox:
Oh I remember what I wanted to ah,
1504.
Potts:
What's that?
1505.
Fox:
I remember what I wanted to point out um,
1506.
Potts:
Yeah.
1507.
Fox:
Ah oh yes. With the stuff that's been published on the website now about all the RV FOX stuff.
1508.
Potts:
Yeah.
1509.
(Cst. POTTS re-enters room)
1510.
Fox:
Um if I were to be prosecuted for publishing that stuff, that could create the impression that I'm being persecuted for exposing corruption in the justice system and also it could be perceived as being punished or persecuted for simply um exposing a bad person's bad conduct.
1511.
Potts:
Okay.
1512.
Fox:
So from a public relations perspective um and MYHRE's not a very smart guy he wouldn't catch this but ah, I mean you would think,
1513.
Potts:
(indecipherable) was that obviously you're saying is that one of your agend, like your, part of your agenda ah aside from Desiree and everything that happened? Like is it,
1514.
Fox:
Part of my agenda well one thing I certainly wanna show is,
1515.
Potts:
Yeah.
1516.
Fox:
The corruption and the misconduct that's going on in the justice system here in B.C.
1517.
Potts:
Yeah.
1518.
Fox:
Um, and so it would certainly work to my benefit I think in that respect ah for me to go back to jail because I published um proof of the misconduct that occurred in my trial.
1519.
Potts:
If you publish proof of the conduct?
1520.
Fox:
Published proof of the misconduct like MY, MYHRE colluding and stuff and,
1521.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah.
1522.
Fox:
Covering up all this evidence and.
1523.
Potts:
Gotcha.
1524.
Fox:
So I publish that,
1525.
Potts:
Yeah.
1526.
Fox:
And then I went to jail for publishing that.
1527.
Potts:
Okay, right now though we're talking about right now so you're saying you published that stuff on the website?
1528.
Fox:
No, no, no, no I'm saying that's how it could be perceived...
1529.
Potts:
Right.
1530.
Fox:
...like if, if I end up going to jail for, you know for publishing that stuff...
1531.
Potts:
Yeah.
1532.
Fox:
...not saying I did publish it...
1533.
Potts:
Yeah.
1534.
Fox:
...but if I'm, if VPD does their investigation and I go before the judge, and of course the judge is going to find me guilty of it regardless of what evidence I show, um, later when the book gets published or the website or something um that's going to further show uh how the system is, or how the justice system participants are (sigh) engaging in misconduct and trying to cover it up.
1535.
Potts:
Yeah, yeah for sure. You, are you going to publish the book then? I think everybody, uh it would be interesting you know everyone wants to know what...
1536.
Fox:
Uh there's...
1537.
Potts:
...probably, well not everyone, your follow- like people would like to see you know what you're thinking, what does Patrick have to sa-, what does, sorry, not Patrick, what does the FOX, what does FOX say...
1538.
Fox:
...(inaudible) FOX or Patrick.
1539.
Potts:
...what does the FOX say, yeah, exactly (chuckle).
1540.
Fox:
(Chuckle) what does the FOX say? Um, I can tell you that there's definitely a publishing deal, I can't tell you anything more than that because of non-disclosure agreement.
1541.
Potts:
Okay, gotcha. All right, I'll be two seconds.
1542.
Fox:
Sure.
1543.
(Cst. POTTS exits the room and then returns).
1544.
Potts:
Um, one more question, de- you have some, some storage keys, some storage keys in your possession.
1545.
Fox:
I hear you.
1546.
Potts:
Yes, is that for, what is that for? Is that for your uh like storage lockers at your, um, Yukon?
1547.
Fox:
One of the keys has the Number Two on it, that was for my locker at the Yukon, I was supposed to return that to them. I'd forgotten, I was going to mail it to them from the Homeland Security Facility.
1548.
Potts:
Yeah.
1549.
Fox:
Um, never got around to that (clearing throat) the other storage keys, the orange ones uh are for a storage unit that I was renting 'cause when I first got released on December thirtieth one of the probation conditions was that I had to immediately uh report here, um, so I had four boxes of legal material and so I had to haul those all the way here because I didn't want to risk if I stopped somewhere and dropped them off or put them in storage first...
1550.
Potts:
Yeah.
1551.
Fox:
...um because then that would violate the immediately part. Um, and everybody said oh you're being silly, of course I wa- um, so and then after I reported here I went directly to a storage unit or storage place, rented a small storage unit because I wasn't going to be homeless walking around with four boxes of legal material, and so that's what that is.
1552.
Potts:
Okay.
1553.
Fox:
And you guys are more than welcome to go through those four boxes of legal material, it's all just the stuff that I had when I was at uh the jail.
1554.
Potts:
Uh is it the same stuff that's on your website? Or did you get more?
1555.
Fox:
Well there's a lot more in there because there's stuff dealing with the civil suit that was filed...
1556.
Potts:
Yeah.
1557.
Fox:
...against me. Um, there's all the stuff from the jail itself like complaints, requests and such, um, oh let's see there's all the uh stuff relating to the R v. FOX case and the Appeal an all.
1558.
Potts:
Okay. Do you have anything still at the Yukon shelter?
1559.
Fox:
Yes.
1560.
Fox:
Wh- wha- what time you have?
1561.
Potts:
Okay. Like how, what do you have there?
1562.
(Exit the room).
1563.
Potts:
Uh, it's around almost five I think.
1564.
Fox:
Not much, um, there's a few, there's a little bit of papers, um, like some of the documents from IRCC and CBSA that prove that I'm not a Canadian citizen. A few items of clothing, um, some toiletries and stuff. Stuff that, see my intention was I was going to go report for probation and then, um, probably shortly after that I was going to be leaving Yukon because I even told the uh, the judge on the fourteenth at the proba- or yeah the probation hearing, that CBSA has told me that if I, that they're not going to put any effort or resources into coming after me but if I go into one of their offices or if I show up at a point of entry then they're going to remove me based on my inadmissibility due to my conviction and all. Um, so I told the judge that no matter what she orders on that day next week I intend to go into a CBSA office, turn myself in and then they're going to remove me anyway. So even if she doesn't remove the restriction allowing me to, so that I can leave BC...
1565.
Potts:
Mm hmm.
1566.
Fox:
Mmm.
1567.
Potts:
Why what are your thoughts? About food?
1568.
Fox:
...um, I'm going to take steps to get myself deported anyway. Um, and I pointed out to her there was nothing in my probation conditions which prohibits me from going into a CBSA office, so I'll be within my uh probation conditions by doing that. Now I would like to point out that is essentially what I did on the fifteenth, I went into a CBSA office uh turned myself into them, told them that uh I'm not a citizen, I have no status here, you guys have said so, here's the documentation to prove it, um, and then from there I went across to uh CBP, so it's not like I was trying to sneak out or something, I first went to CBSA...
1569.
Potts:
Right.
1570.
Fox:
Oh 'cause you know I have a dinner plan later so.
1571.
Potts:
Oh you got a dinner.
1572.
Fox:
...and I told them what I was doing.
1573.
Potts:
Did you go, so you went, you left your PO uh on the fifteenth, did you go back to Yukon or did you go, like where did you go?
1574.
UM:
(Inaudible).
1575.
Fox:
I did not go back to the Yukon.
1576.
UM:
(Inaudible).
1577.
Potts:
Okay. You, did you go straight to the border then?
1578.
Potts:
(Inaudible).
1579.
Fox:
I did not.
1580.
Fox:
I would like to get some toiler paper though; I'm still waiting on toilet paper.
1581.
Potts:
Okay.
1582.
Potts:
Yeah I'll get you toilet paper.
1583.
Fox:
I had some affairs that I needed to settle up first, or that I wanted to you know take care of first and...
1584.
UM:
You're just going back to cell?
1585.
Potts:
Yeah.
1586.
Potts:
Yeah, we can wait here.
1587.
Fox:
...ran into Suzanne and Elliot on uh the sidewalk over by the courthouse, um, purely out of coincidence.
1588.
UM:
Okay.
1589.
Potts:
Yeah.
1590.
Potts:
We'll come, we'll come out here. We'll let that room air out or we're going to get busted.
1591.
Fox:
Um, she's the prosecutor handling the appeal.
1592.
Fox:
Hmm.
1593.
Potts:
Okay.
1594.
Potts:
Or I'll be busted. Just right here.
1595.
Fox:
Um, and then from there I stopped at Starbucks, had something to eat and a coffee, and then I went down to the border.
1596.
(People talking in the background).
1597.
Potts:
Okay.
1598.
Potts:
So thanks guys.
1599.
Fox:
But, it's important to point out with respect to the not being within a hundred meters of the border, and I checked this with CBSA when I got there, um, the CBSA office that I reported to or that I went into at Peace Arch is not within a hundred meters of the border and so I even asked them, I said uh it's at least a hundred meters from here to the border right? And they chuckled about it and said uh oh yeah, I'm sure it's more than that, but don't worry about it, we're not going to tell anybody.
1600.
UM:
Yeah, one second, just half a sec.
1601.
Potts:
Okay. Okay. Nice. Uh, okay.
1602.
Potts:
So accommodating for me (chuckle). Okay, straight through.
1603.
Fox:
And I'm sure there should be case notes in there but...
1604.
UM:
It's grand central in here.
1605.
Potts:
Yeah...
1606.
Potts:
It is, yeah.
1607.
Fox:
...in CBSA's records about it.
1608.
Fox:
(Chuckle). What about that toilet paper, please?
1609.
Potts:
...but then you walked I guess through and then went through to the American side or Americans?
1610.
Potts:
Oh yeah I'll get you toilet paper for sure.
1611.
Fox:
Yeah.
1612.
Fox:
I need to use the restroom and I got to blow my nose because I'm getting over a cold.
1613.
Potts:
Yeah, okay.
1614.
Potts:
Yeah. Toilet paper.
1615.
Fox:
But, again I emphasize that I told CBSA that that was my intention because I have no status in Canada and...
1616.
UM:
(Inaudible).
1617.
Potts:
Okay.
1618.
Potts:
Sure, yeah.
1619.
Fox:
...had gotten in the situation where either way I'm breaking the law, I stay I break the law, I leave I violate probation. Um, so I didn't like sneak out or do it without telling anybody or anything, and then uh CBSA said that Homeland Security is not going to let me enter the United States because I don't have documentation like on me to show that I'm a US citizen. Um, and I said to them well are you going to notify the probation department or the RCMP that I'm here? And then she chuckled again and said no they've got bigger things to worry about than that, we don't care.
1620.
Fox:
Oh look at that, sheets, I'll almost be warm.
1621.
Potts:
Okay.
1622.
Potts:
There you go.
1623.
Fox:
So.
1624.
Fox:
Almost.
1625.
Potts:
All right. Uh anything else you want to talk about or, I was going to wrap it up.
1626.
Potts:
Is it, how do you feel the temperature here?
1627.
Fox:
No I guess that's it.
1628.
Fox:
It's cold (inaudible)...
1629.
Potts:
Okay. We can go back...
1630.
Potts:
Oh...
1631.
Fox:
Sure.
1632.
Fox:
...two t-shirts and a sweater and a jacket.
1633.
Potts:
...to the cell. Just make sure (inaudible).
1634.
Potts:
...okay. Okay. (Inaudible).
1635.
Fox:
So it would seem that the evidence, or like the stuff that I have on me, it almost seems as though I had stuff in such a way that I actually wanted the CBP or you guys to see it huh?
1636.
UM:
(Inaudible).
1637.
Potts:
Oh sorry, sorry to.
1638.
Potts:
I think you're a smart guy so.
1639.
Fox:
Oh wow uh can I get more because I'm getting over a cold and I've got like a lot of mucus and.
1640.
MG:
It's quite, it's a quite a bit there and you, you want more than that?
1641.
Fox:
Well, yeah, do you not have like a roll? I promise I'm not going to abuse it.
1642.
MG:
No, no we...
1643.
Fox:
It's just, I don't know how long I'm going to be in here.
1644.
MG:
...we have to ration it...
1645.
Fox:
Yeah.
1646.
MG:
...but I'll give you a bit more, okay?
1647.
Fox:
And I also have to defecate.
1648.
MG:
You can also get more later as well.
1649.
Fox:
Okay yeah the thing is I'm thinking like if I defecate and I've got feces on my ass...
1650.
MG:
Yeah.
1651.
Fox:
...and then am I going to have to like stand here and wait for somebody to come by so I can get more so I can?
1652.
MG:
Well you can, you can sort of uh play it by ear with that right, like do you need to use that all right now or?
1653.
Fox:
That's the thing I don't know.
1654.
MG:
Okay I'll get you a bit more okay?
1655.
Fox:
Wow, rationing toilet paper.
1656.
Potts:
Time are tough.
1657.
Fox:
Yeah right.
1658.
Potts:
Um.
1659.
Fox:
I can tell 'cause TRUDEAU keeps giving hundreds of millions of dollars to people in Africa for...
1660.
Potts:
Yes, yeah...
1661.
Fox:
...contraceptives and.
1662.
Potts:
...yeah. Yeah, well, um (inaudible).
1663.
Fox:
I can also tell because you guys spent so much money locking me up and sending people down to the border to come and get me for probation violations and.
1664.
Potts:
Best of luck is all I'll say.
1665.
Fox:
Mmm.
1666.
Potts:
Good luck uh in the future, I don't know if we'll be seeing each other in trial maybe uh here.
1667.
Fox:
Probably.
1668.
Potts:
Yeah.
1669.
MG:
(Inaudible).
1670.
Potts:
He's going to get a little bit more toilet paper, can we get some more maybe? He's got a, he's getting over a cold and has to defecate.
1671.
UM:
(Inaudible).
1672.
Potts:
Oh there you go. Thanks guys, I really appreciate it. (Inaudible), a lot of good work.
1673.
MG:
There you go sir.
1674.
Fox:
Wow, thanks.
1675.
MG:
Okay.
1676.
Potts:
All right, all right...
1677.
Fox:
Mmm.
1678.
Potts:
...see you later Patrick, Mr. FOX. There you go.
1679.
UM:
(Inaudible).
1680.
Potts:
It's still on. This is on. Uh this is Constable POTTS, Mr. FOX has been put back in his cell, sixteen-forty-five hours. Um, I showed him uh through in order of what I showed him today; first thing I showed him uh he brought up the word, the name Bhimji, um I showed him this piece of paper, uh it just has uh looks like a B Bhimji has a phone number and address and then there's Liz on there. Uh I think from there I showed him there's an address uh for Corrections and there's some talk, 'cause when we talked about the setup G mail and Desi CAPUANO um tablet, and it's got a phone number on it. Uh this is my interview plan; I didn't show it to him. And then from there we just went through the uh PDF version from the website DesiCAPUANO.com, which is basically uh there's a bunch of uh blog posts, there's some profiles for uh, uh a bunch of people including myself and police officers and lawyers and judges. Uh he kind of went and looked it all various parts. And then there were these notes stapled, there's three in total, um it's got various notes on it uh this one talks about uh looks like compiled lists of each uh, of the website, it says to do website on it. And then this one is for Liz, it's got date of 2019-0-3-1, uh 0-3-0, 0-3-3-0, March thirtieth. And it kind of talks about the website and some other things to do. And then there's another one for Liz and it's dated 2-9, 2019-03-21, uh to print, um talks about, this is the one where it talks about the Thunderbird and adding account, um, for Desi CAPUANO. So these will be lodged and I will be ending the statement at sixteen-forty-seven hours.
1681.
LH/JEY/LH/CL/JEY