VPD Interrogation of Patrick Fox (2020-09-17)

Synopsis

In this interrogation I was completely fed up with the entire stupid process, and all the corruption and bullshit I'd been dealing with from the BC justice system. I had recently been convicted of breaching a probation order when I wasn't even on probation 244069-6-B. I had only been out of custody for four weeks and was staying in a homeless shelter. I was still subject to the probation order that prohibted me from leaving BC. Yeah, I was pretty annoyed.

The interrogator, Kyle Dent, was a total sleazeball. Telling me he doesn't want to lie to me. Which is exactly what a person who is lying to you would say.

The charge here was breaching my probation conditions by not taking down the website within 48 hours of my release from custody. This arrest came four weeks after an article was posted on the website, essentially telling the BC Prosecution Service (BCPS) and the BC Attorney General they can go fuck themselves because the website will never be taken down Dear David Eby; and a few days after the Mark Myhre profile page was published, referring to Myhre as, for example, a "pansy bitch".

The more astute of you might notice I am very careful in my wording, often referring to "the website" but not saying which website (I have multiple websites, including this one). You will also notice there is not a single moment in this entire interview where I am actually serious about anything. I am sarcastic and, at times, even satirical.

One of my goals in this interrogation was to create the impression, the appearance of guilt, without actually providing any evidence of guilt. I did this in order to show that the BC justice system will convict a person based on nothing more than suggestions. It worked.

I highly recommend, in addition to reviewing the transcript below (because it has all my critically insightful commentary), you also watch the video. Some sarcasm and mockery just don't carry over to the text transcript as well.

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Recorded Interview with Patrick FOX

September 17, 2020

Incident #20-164388

Dent – Detective Constable 2680 Kyle DENT
Fox – Patrick FOX
?F1 – Unidentified Female 1
?F2 – Unidentified Female 2
?M1 – Unidentified Male 1
?M2 – Unidentified Male 2

Video recording of entire interrogation

Audio recording of entire interrogation

Unintelligible background voices throughout

Dent:

Okay, I just activated my recorder here.

Fox:

'Kay.

Dent:

'Kay, the, just gotta, at 7:41 AM.

?F1:

(Unintelligible) just keep that hand on the other side.

Dent:

Robert, you'll just keep his effects here? 'Cause we don't need them at the interview room.

?M1:

Don't need them in there (unintelligible).

Dent:

Not in the interview room, no.

?M1:

(Unintelligible) need them at the jail?

Dent:

Oh, yeah, well, they won't take the Jail 8 without him there.

?M1:

Yeah.

Dent:

'Kay, uh, Mr. Fox. Hi. Uh, my name is, uh, Det. Cst. Kyle Dent. Um, I understand you prefer Mr. Fox.

Fox:

I don't care.

Dent:

You don't care. Okay

?F1:

(Unintelligible)

Fox:

Just…

Dent:

To be honest, I don't either. You can call me Kyle. You can call me Det. Dent. Dealer's choice.

?M1:

Yeah.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

'Kay? Um, we're gonna go into an interview room. Everything's audio video. I'll probably say that a couple more times, but, uh follow me, please.

Fox:

Chronic Offender Unit.

Dent:

Uh, it's just the interview room. It's been modified, but, uh, if you don't mind grabbin' a seat on the other side there. Thanks. Um, yeah, they modified this room for interviews due to the ongoing global, uh, pandemic of COVID-

Fox:

Sure.

Dent:

…19. Uh, this room has been sanitized.

Fox:

I don't care.

Dent:

I have to. I don't either. Uh, but, yeah, the room has been sanitized. I do have to ask, have you had any symptoms of…

Fox:

No.

Dent:

…COVID-19 in the last couple days? No?

Fox:

No.

Dent:

Have you been in contact with anybody?

Fox:

No (coughs).

Dent:

No? Just a tickle.

Fox:

No, it's, uh, smoke.

Dent:

Oh, okay, well, I got a, a water bottle and granola bottle there for ya. Um, if you'd like, I can provide you with a, a face mask. Um, if, during this conversation, no, okay. I feel comfortable not wearing one with this massive, uh, Plexiglas window, but, okay. Uh, let's just get goin'.

Fox:

Um, the recorder, though…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…I guess you should probably have it in this area because the sound doesn't travel very well through the Plexiglas.

Dent:

Sure.

Fox:

I'm assuming you're recording.

Dent:

Not only here.

Fox:

'Kay.

Dent:

But there, the room as you can see those little things there are…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…the, uh, microphones or recorders…

Fox:

Sure

Dent:

…that will record everything. This is just a backup. Um, we are on a city budget, and so sometimes the equipment doesn't work as it should be.

Fox:

It's important to have good quality audio and video, though, for me to put onto the website.

Dent:

Uh, fair enough. There you go. Uh, so, I guess you know why we're here.

Fox:

No, no idea.

Dent:

No?

Fox:

I'm being sarcastic. I'm sure it's got something to do with, um, violating a probation order for not taking down the website within 48 hours, but really it's not about that 'cause if it was about that, you guys would've come and arrested me three or four weeks ago. Um, I'm sure it's probably because there's been a recent addition of some content that's very critical of Mark Myhre and exposes some corruption that he was engaged in.

Dent:

Tell me about it.

Fox:

No.

Dent tells me to ellaborate on the recent updates that have been made on the website.

I say "no", because the information in question is publicly accessible on the website. If he wanted to know anything about it he could go to the website and see it himself. So, asking me this was just a ploy to get me talking. That's how the rapport building tactic works. The interrogator gets you talking about open-ended stuff you're interested in, so you'll let your guard down. And, while you're talking, the interrogator nods and agrees with your opinions. He appears to be sympathetic and understanding to your situation. So you'll think of him as an ally.

They're so fucking predictable! They're automatons ... wind-up monkeys, clashing their cymbols. And yet, they're so arrogant that while I'm sitting there mocking them, and dropping hint after hint that I know these interrogation techniques, they actually believe the techniques are working on me. Throughout the interrogation, Dent actually believed he was in control of it.

Dent:

No?

Fox:

It's on the website, but, uh…

Dent:

Oh, it's on the website?

Fox:

…oh, yeah, everything's on the website. Even, even the newer stuff related to the other cases…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…is on the website now, but can't say more about it. It's on the website (unintelligible).

Dent:

It's on the website? Only no, no, no. Uh, I'll be honest. I looked at the website just the other day, and I didn't see any new postings or anything in the last couple d-, where, where on the website is it? Just so I can…

Fox:

Under the R. v. Fox directory.

Dent:

…yeah.

Fox:

Uh, 244069-5-BC.

Dent:

Okay. My friend, you speak very quickly. Just wanna make sure I've got them.

Fox:

Of course, by saying that, I'm neither admitting nor denying that I had anything to do with putting it on there. I'm simply stating it is there.

Dent:

It is there. Okay. Y-, can you go one more time with that?

Fox:

Sure.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

It's the usual, uh, URL.

Dent:

Yeah, the…

Fox:

The R. v. Fox direct-, or uh, R. v. Fox page. I'm sure you're familiar with that.

Dent:

Uh, yeah.

Fox:

Um, and then slash 244…

Dent:

244…

Fox:

…069…

Dent:

…069…

Fox:

…dash 5…

Dent:

…dash 5…

Fox:

…dash BC.

Dent:

…dash BC. And…

Fox:

It's lower case 'b', 'c'.

Dent:

…uh, okay. It'll be on there, though.

Fox:

I think, yeah, I think URLs don't matter.

Dent:

I'll, I'll be able to see the link. And which, what does this one show? You, you…

Fox:

That has information and content related to the probation violation case of leaving British Columbia.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

All the corruption and misconduct that the Crown and, uh, CBSA engaged in.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

The page is incomplete at this point, but you'll see at the top in…

Dent:

Yeah

Fox:

…highlighted in yellow, it says that I posted it incomplete because, um, I, not being me, I being the person who posted it.

Dent:

Mm-hmm.

Fox:

Again, I'm neither admitting nor denying tha I posted it.

Dent:

It's like you've done this before.

Fox:

Um, mm, um, it states on there that it's…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…been posted incomplete because the person expects that they're gonna be arrested at any moment, or that they can be arrested at any moment.

Dent:

Okay. That…

Fox:

Hey, here I am.

Dent:

…I was gonna say, that being you. Um, okay, so, again, we can jump into this more, but before we even get into that and everything else like that, I just wanna make sure, do you need anything? Like I got you a water. I got you a, a, a granola bar right there.

Fox:

Yeah, coffee and cigarettes.

Dent:

Uh, I can't do anything…

Fox:

And…

Dent:

…about that right now. Uh, I don't have any smokes on me.

Fox:

…mm-hmm.

Dent:

I can look into maybe gettin' ya some after. Do you have any in your effects?

Fox:

No, no.

Dent:

No.

Fox:

The pack I had in my pocket was empty.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

I was about to step outside and have one. Saw…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…the officers there. Knew they were for me, so…

Dent:

Okay. What…

Fox:

…I saw them come yesterday.

Dent:

Oh, they were there yesterday?

Fox:

Yeah

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

At lunchtime.

Dent:

I'm gonna be honest. My knowledge in this file is limited. Uh, I just, I'm new to the section…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…and so they just said, hey, we need you to interview this guy who hasn't taken down a website.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Rapport Building

This is bullshit. They always say this during the interrogation. Really, check the other interrogations of me 244069-2-KC, Jason Potts, RCMP, 2016-06-16; 244069-5-BC, Jason Potts, RCMP, 2019-04-04; 244069-8-B, Janine Tanino, VPD, 2021-08-17.

They claim they know nothing about the case so you'll think they haven't already formed an opinion about it, and they're sincerely interested in getting your side of the story. That's nonsense. They're not interested in "your side of the story", their purpose is to get you to say as much as possible so they and the prosecutor can cherry pick the sentence fragments and the isolated statements (without context), which can be pieced together to create the appearance of guilt.

I'm not being paranoid. That's just their tactic. Review Dent's testimony from the trial and you'll see that's exactly what they did. For example:

At p11l42-p12l29, in response to Johnson's question about whether Dent had asked me whether I had taken down the website, Dent claimed I said:

The reason it hasn't been taken down is because it exposes misconduct and corruption that happens in the criminal justice --

But in actuality, Dent never asked me whether I had taken down the website. And my statement which he was referring to was in response to him asking me if there was a reason the website hadn't been take down p7l3-9.
At p12l44-47, p13l18-21, and p13l26-31, Dent and Johnson created the false impression that by stating I had viewed the website's access logs I must have had administrative access to the website.

However, in the interview it was never discussed whether the logs were publicly accessible or how I had access to them p17l22-p18l13. Dent merely assumed having access to view the logs meant I had administrative access to the website.
At p13l32-p14l30, Dent and Johnson created the false impression I had said my purpose with the website was to force the BC government to admit everything on the website was true, and for them to overturn all of my convictions.

However, in actuality, in the interview Dent had asked hypothetically what it would take for the website to be taken down. And, in response to that hypothetical question, I responded hypothetically that what it would take is for the BC government to admit that everything I claimed in my affidavit, which is on the website is true; which would, necessarily, require that my criminal harassment conviction be overturned; which would, necessarily, require that any convictions derived from the criminal harassment conviction would need to be overturned p18l14-32.

As you can see, what Dent and Johnson represented in court, in Dent's sworn testimony on the witness stand, was NOT consistent with what actually transpired during the interrogation.

Dent:

Uh, so we'll…

Fox:

But you've seen the website.

Dent:

…yeah.

Fox:

You've already admitted (unintelligible).

Dent:

Well, I wanted to know what the website was.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Right? Um…

Fox:

You find all the, um, the murder videos and the child porn and all that?

Dent:

Uh, I didn't have a lot of time to go through everything.

Fox:

I'm kidding. There's nothing illegal on the website.

Dent:

Um, oh, well, that's good. Just the website itself.

Fox:

The website itself is not illegal.

Dent:

No, huh?

Fox:

No. Um, I was ordered to take it down as a condition of probation.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Doesn't mean there's anything illegal about the website.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

And the criminal harassment that I was convicted of based in part on the website…

Dent:

Yes.

Fox:

…they're now refusing to prosecute me, adamantly refusing to prosecute me for…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…that again because I published all of the proof of the corruption that happened at the first trial.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

So, there's nothing illegal about the website.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

If there was, they would prosecute me.

Dent:

Fair enough. I'm not saying that the, sorry, let me rephrase. The, the website, you're right, isn't illegal. Um, but is there a reason why you haven't taken it down?

Fox:

Yes. Well, wai-, wai-, no, no. I can't say that there's a reason I haven't taken it down. I can say that there is a reason it hasn't been taken down. Um…

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

…because it is exposing corruption and misconduct that goes on every day in the local justice system.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

It exposes the corruption and misconduct of jackasses like Mark Myhre and Tony Lagemaat, and of course it exposes the misconduct of that evil horrible cunt of an ex-wife of mine. Oh, sorry. Maybe was a l-, bi- a little bit too abrasive. Um, that horrible person of, uh, my ex-wife.

Dent:

I'll tell ya right now. I spent four years walkin' the beat in the Downtown Eastside.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

There's virtually nothing that you could say to me that is…

Fox:

Oh, not for you. For the recording.

Dent:

…going to offend me. Yeah. Well…

Fox:

This is going to be played in court. Um, obviously when the trial comes…

Dent:

…well…

Fox:

…this is gonna be evidence.

Dent:

…okay. Uh, have you been treated well so far today?

Fox:

Na-, sure.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

Neither good nor bad.

Dent:

Fairly.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Is that fair to say? Fairly?

Fox:

Yes, definitely.

Dent:

Okay. Um, I also wanna make sure that no person has threatened you to speak with me today or promised you anything in return for speaking to me today. Is that correct?

Fox:

That is correct.

Dent:

All right. Good. Um, has anyone promised you anything in return for speaking with me today?

Fox:

No.

Dent:

Okay, and last thing, no promises or threats can be of any effect, right? S …

Fox:

Okay.

Dent:

…that's, that's just something that we cover off in every single interview. We just wanna make sure that you're, you're chattin' with me in this recorded and…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…videoed room, uh, and that nobody has basically said you have to. That's not the case. Um, how long have you, you are, you're at Belkin House, right?

Fox:

Yeah.

Dent:

How long have you been there for, -ish?

Fox:

I was released on Augus 20th, so from the 20th until now.

Dent:

Okay. Is it goin' well there?

Fox:

Mm, I'm-, define well. That's subjective. Um…

Dent:

Like is there no problems there?

Fox:

…well, oh, yeah, no problems. No.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

I get along with everybody.

Dent:

Oh, that's good.

Fox:

Um, respectful to staff. Everybody likes me. There's no issues.

Dent:

That's good. That's actually challenging to do.

Fox:

Really?

Dent:

Right? Well, there's some people who are, uh, cha-, hard to house…

Fox:

Mm, oh, sure.

Dent:

…who have stayed in Belkin before.

Fox:

Yeah, yeah.

Dent:

And so you getting along, like you said, not you, personally, getting…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…along with, you know, staff and everything. That I actually believe. But you getting along with everybody else there, like there must some people there who just don't like other people.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

So, uh, that's, that's good to know. But I am aware of their policy that they usually, there's a time limit.

Fox:

30 days.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

But I've heard rumours. I haven't verified it with the staff…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…but, uh, I've heard rumours that because of COVID-19…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…they've been extending people.

Dent:

Oh.

Fox:

But anyway, if they don't extend me, then my 30 days runs out in two days, so…

Dent:

Okay, and any…

Fox:

…your timing is impeccable.

Dent:

…any plans on goin' anywhere, or have you been lookin' anywhere else to stay?

Fox:

Yeah. North Fraser.

Dent:

Oh.

Fox:

I've been waiting for you guys to come and arrest me. I mean, I said to the judge, I'm not taking down the website.

But in fact, I never said that to the judge. What I said was "...there is absolutely no way the website is going to come down on my release from custody..." TR 2020-08-19 p53l33-35. And the reason it's not going to come down is because I have no control or influence over it.

My strategy here was to make false admissions, admissions which could easily be proven to be false and which could not possibly be true, to see whether the police, prosecutors, and judges would accept those admissions as being true regardless. And to see whether they would actually convict me based on admissions they knew were not true.

And, as I suspected, the police, prosecutors, and judges did actually prosecute and convict me based on admissions they knew were not true. Canadian "justice" at it's best!

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

An-, I'm kinda surprised it took this long.

Dent:

I just got to the section.

Fox:

I think it's because if it were not for those recent, um, changes about Mark Myhre…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…um, then probably nobody would've done anything, but I suspect that Mark Myhre probably threw a hissy fit because he's a little pansy bitch and went, oh, he's saying these mean things about me. Take this off. Get him in jail or something. Sorry. I haven't had a coffee yet.

Dent:

Preach (phonetic) I…

Fox:

I'm not the most eloquent right now.

Dent:

…eh, I'm irritable without my second usually third…

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

…cup of coffee of the day. Um, s-, maybe you can give me some clarity 'cause like I said, I r-, reviewed a couple things on your website.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

But what, what did Mark Myhre do to you? Like…

Fox:

He was the prosecutor in the criminal harassment case. He knew they (unintelligible) it's all on the website.

Dent:

No, I know. Like I said, I've been through it…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…right? But like specifically, there's a lot on there.

Fox:

Yeah.

Dent:

Like let's be honest

Fox:

Yeah, yeah.

Dent:

Like I can't go through it in a day. I've had a day to prepare.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

Right? So, and to be honest, I was hopin' I could get it from you just 'cause I'm, I'm surprised. 'Cause before this, you had no criminal h-, history. You had very little interaction.

Fox:

Yes.

Dent:

In the eyes of everyone…

Fox:

Yes.

Dent:

…you are a normal upstanding citizen.

Fox:

I was yes, and…

Dent:

And then shit happened, and here we are.

Fox:

…yes, because my fucking ex-wife…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…took my child, ran off to another fucking state with him.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Tells a bunch of lies to get me deported to a fucking country that I'm not a fucking citizen of.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Then I end up up here, and then you j -, not you, but…

Dent:

Thank you.

Fox:

…your stupid fuckin' system up here pulls all this bullshit about lying and ignoring all of her perjury and such.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Finds me guilty and sends me to prison for three fucking years, and then I get out, and then they say, no, you can't leave British Columbia. You're not a Canadian citizen. You can't work. You can't support yourself, but we're not gonna let you leave for three years. I mean, what the fuck?

Dent:

'Kay, I'm not gonna lie to you. That sounds fucked.

Fox:

If the fucking bitch woulda just stayed out of our lives. She was gone for nine fucking years. She didn't have to come back and…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…take my son and run off and go, oh, he's trying to take my child and take him to another country. You need to arrest him.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

And then this jackass CBSA up here tells Homeland Security, oh, yeah, you can deport him here. He's not a Canadia citizen but fuck it. We'll, we're puppets of you, so go ahead. Okay. That's it. That's the whole story.

Dent:

So, you're an American citizen stuck in Canada.

Fox:

Yes.

Dent:

But they're saying you're a Canadian citizen?

Fox:

No. It's…

Dent:

They're not, you're not even a Canadian citizen, but…

Fox:

(Unintelligible)

Dent:

…they won't let you back in the States.

Fox:

CBSA and IRCC documents, it…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…clearly states - they're on the website right there.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

They were evidence at one my trials recently.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

They clearly state that I was born in the United States.

Dent:

Okay.

This is a truly fascinating phenomena that I've encountered time and again with the Canadian justice system participants.

It's clear, at this moment, Dent doesn't believe I was born in the US. But at the same time he acknowledges that the Canadian government's records show that I was.

Somehow, these people are able to believe two contradictory, mutually exclusive things at the same time. It's like something straight out of 1984 (the George Orwell novel). I mean, it is physically impossible to simultaneously believe two mutually exclusive things, but somehow the Canadian police, prosecutors, and judges are able to do it.

Case in point: Mark Myhre admitted my Florida birth certificate as an exhibit at the criminal harassment trial, to show they jury that because I was born in the US, I am a US citizen and can return to the US at any time and potenitally harm Desiree; but then, during sentencing, he insisted I was born in Ontario and am a Canadian citizen. It would be physically impossible for me to be born in both Florida and Ontario, yet he made and the judge accepted both claims. Am I the only one that realizes how fucked up this is?

Fox:

They acknowledge it. But now, because they fucked up so bad allowing Homeland Security to deport me here…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…now they won't get involved.

Dent:

No.

Fox:

I say, well, remove me. I can't leave voluntarily, so please deport me. If I get deported, then it's, it's okay. I'm not violating…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…probation.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

But we're not gonna get involved.

Dent:

Of course not.

Fox:

So, I'm stuck here living in fuckin' homeless shelters until the end of 2021, and if I go back to the US…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…they're gonna issue a warrant here and then Homeland Security's gonna come and arrest me and send me back like they did the last two times.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

So, that's why I'm a little bit pissed off, and that's why, um, I was a perfectly fine upstanding citizen before.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

And then everything falls apart after this…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…with the criminal harassment thing. In 2015 she files a complaint. The RCMP investigates. I had a firearms licence a PAL at the time.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

Now, if there was any credibility to her claims at all, they would've suspended my PAL but they investigated for four months, and during that four-month stay, my PAL was in a restricted state where I just couldn't buy any new firearms, but they didn't suspend it. They didn't take away the firearms…

Dent:

(Unintelligible)

Fox:

…that I had. They investigated. They determined that her, her claims were not credible. There's nothing to worry about, and then they restored my PAL back to normal.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

Then, a few months later, because I decided to move back to the US, then they decided to arrest me and ship me back here.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

So, it's starting to seem like there's a pattern here that, um, they freak out and get angry and arrest me when I go back to the US. Except this time. This time, it's because I made Mark Myhre look like a pansy bitch.

Dent:

Now, is it just Mark Myhre that you're, and your ex-wife that you're pissed off with, or…

Fox:

Well, I've got a lot to say about Bernie Wolfe, as well, but that's (unintelligible).

Dent:

Bernie Wolfe.

Fox:

Oh, he's the prosecutor on the other one about the leaving BC.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

I turned myself in to CBSA so…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…that CBSA would deny me readmission. This is, w-, well, most of this is on the website.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

It's incomplete.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

So that that way, I wouldn't be violating the probation conditions…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…because Mark Myhre even said at the sentencing that if I get removed or if I'm told to leave by IRCC or CBSA…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…obviously he's not gonna prosecute me for that because then I'm not leaving voluntarily.

Dent:

Of course.

Fox:

So, that's exactly what I did. I turned myself in at the Douglas border crossing.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

CBSA tells me, oh, you're not admissible, but I don't think that the US is gonna allow you in because you don't have proof of citizenship on you. I'm like, don't worry about that. I'll deal with that with CBSA, and then I confirmed that, okay, but I'm not admissible, right? If I try to go back in, you're gonna arrest me. She says, yes, you are absolutely not admissible to Canada. So, then I go back to the US. I knew CBP, CBP was gonna arrest me.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

And so I was prepared for that.

Dent:

Mm-hmm.

Fox:

Um, but then the jackoff goes and gets a warrant up here, and then they send me back here for that. And then Bernie Wolfe was the prosecutor on that case.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, uh, CBSA destroys the video footage of me at the border. Then they lie and say that there's no evidence I ever presented myself, and then Bernie Wolfe is in court lying about that, too, saying, oh, Mr. Fox must be lying about presenting himself to CBSA on that day because there's absolutely no record that he did, and surely there would be some record. But then I get from IRCC a copy of my GCMS, my Global Case Management System…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…report, which shows the notes. It has the notes from the CBSA officer. They've been lying all this time to the court and everybody.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

So, I show that to the court, and the court says, okay, well, we're gonna proceed, and I want this CBSA officer to come and testify. And then of course she comes and testifies, but then she lies and she actually testifies that at a port of entry, the burden is on CBSA to prove that somebody's not a Canadian citizen, and if CBSA can't prove that I'm not a Canadian citizen or somebody's not…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…they have to allow the person into the country. I'm, what is wrong with you? The law is the opposite on the matter. At a port of entry, the burden is on the person seeking entry to Canada to prove that they're entitled to enter. Anyway, what a fuckin' fiasco. This whole fucking justice system up here, or at least in the Vancouver area, is so fuckin' demented. Um…

Dent:

Try working within it.

Fox:

…yeah, but you can leave. I can't. They won't let me.

Dent:

Uh, uh, well, I can't leave my job, otherwise, you know, I can't afford bills.

Fox:

Well, you can resign. You can go work in a differen province or…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…a different country or something.

Dent:

Yeah, no…

Fox:

Um…

Dent:

…it, it's, it's a hard system. There's, I'll, I'll be blunt. Li-, I've been doin it, this job for 11 years, and every, almost…

Fox:

…mm-hmm.

Dent:

…almost every time I leave that courthouse, I'm d-, I'm just shakin' my head, right? Like it's just th-, it's backwards.

Fox:

All right. So, we've built a rapport.

Dent:

Yes, uh, honestly, no, like...

Fox:

So, now I put my gun down and now I'll tell you everything that you wanna know.

Dent:

…no (unintelligible).

Fox:

I'm being sarcastic.

Dent:

Obviously. You're, you and I have very similar sarcasm there uh, but no I'm, I'm dead serious. Like our court system…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…needs to be completely…

Fox:

Yes, it's a joke.

Dent:

…turned upside down.

Fox:

And if you're a drug addict or something or you have drug problems, oh, well, then it's just a revolving door. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. We'll let you go. Go take more drugs.

Dent:

Oh, no, they don't even make the door.

Fox:

What?

Dent:

They don't even make the door. I can make i-, a hundred drug arrests in the Downtown Eastside and the court system won't even accept the charge.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Like, uh no, no, no, no. Even dealers. I c-, I've arrested drug dealers.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

And they've said, well, you know, it's not, it's not kilo level, so we…

Fox:

Right.

Dent:

…don't care. Say, oh, okay, this is the poison that's killing people down here, but no. No. I, i-, it's, anyway, that's a conversation for another day. Maybe over a coffee. Um, but, yes, so, I'm just gonna summarize a little bit here.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Uh, and correct me if I'm wrong. You've been screwed by the system and you've been expecting to be arrested because the website hasn't been taken down yet.

Fox:

Screwed by the system. Um, okay, and, um, yeah, sure, fine.

Dent:

So, who has access to this website?

Fox:

Not gonna tell you.

Dent:

Li-, li-, y-, okay.

Fox:

I can tell you that…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…people outside of Canada.

Dent:

People outside of…

Fox:

Uh, uh, oh, wait, wait. When you say have access to the website, you mean to the contents (unintelligible) publicly accessible.

Dent:

…yes, like who can, who can post things to it?

Fox:

Or who has access to go in, to log in to, oh, okay.

Dent:

Yeah, that's what I mean. Like who can, who can post…

Fox:

Yeah, no, I'm not, I'm not gonna answer that.

Dent:

…(unintelligible) to this website. No?

Fox:

Dent:

Okay. Um, okay, you know I have to ask.

Fox:

Of course.

Dent:

Right? Um, but you were given the condition to take it down.

Sure, and so let's suppose I was released from custody and I shut it down, and the next day Desiree put a copy of it back online because she expected that would result in me being arrested ... then how the fuck have I violated the probation order, jackass?

Or, perhaps it was one of those miserably firigid feminists who have been blindly supporting Desiree, even after it's been proven that she lied about, literally, everything.

If some person, whom I have no influence over, is the one keeping the website online in order to cause me to be arrested, then the court ordering me to take it down is not going to cause that person to take it down.

I would also point out that the probation order I am accused of violating here, only contained one condition: that I take down the website within 48 hours of my release Judge Phillips order Condition 4. It did not contain a condition prohibiting me from putting it back online like the previous, Justice Holmes order did Justice Holmes order Condition 12. So, as I point out in the interrogation, as long as I took the website down for any duration of time then I have complied with the condition for which I had been arrested.

These people really are dumb as rocks!

So, it, can, is it safe to assume, like j-,…

Fox:

Let me ask you.

Dent:

…yeah, oh, please.

Fox:

Do you have any evidence at all that the website was not taken down within 48 hours and then put right back up by somebody else?

Dent:

Uh, my knowledge (unintelligible).

Fox:

I know the answer to that question. The quest-, the answer is no.

Dent:

Yeah. Okay. My answer is I don't know.

Fox:

Right.

Dent:

Right? Um, I think the fact that…

Fox:

Well, yeah. That's what I mean. You don't know.

Dent:

…like I said, the breach today is because it's still viewable.

Fox:

Mm-hmm

Dent:

Right? It had to be taken down, right? I logged onto it just a day ago.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

Right? So, it's still there and that's, that's the breach.

Fox:

I know. I saw the access logs.

Dent:

Yeah. Right?

Fox:

A lot of activity from the Province of British Columbia and the City of Vancouver. I assume the City of Vancouver was the VPD and I assume that the Province of British Columbia is probably Crown Counsel.

Dent:

(Unintelligible) I'm not gonna argue.

Fox:

There was also, a couple weeks ago, a lot of activity from Shared Services Canada, and I assume that that's the RCMP.

Dent:

From who?

Fox:

Shared Services Canada. All the government, uh, they, they set up their internal network in this…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…ass backward way or back assward (phonetic)? But, um…

Dent:

Ass backward.

Fox:

…so that they have a proxy server set up in Ottawa and…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…even though an RCMP office or, uh, federal offices out here, all the packets go through this proxy server in Ottawa.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

So, it shows up in the access logs as, uh, 198.212 or something.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

The IP address.

Dent:

And that's for the Government of Canada.

Fox:

Federal Government, yeah.

Dent:

Okay. Um, so, h-, let's say hypothetically speaking…

Fox:

Everything is hypothetical.

Dent:

…of course everything's hypothetical.

Fox:

Otherwise I'd be admitting stuff.

Dent:

Uh, what would it take for the website to be taken down? I'm just curious.

Fox:

For the BC government, maybe, uh, David Eby himself, um, to admit to all the corruption and the collusion t-, basically to admit that everything that I'm claiming in my affidavit on the website is true and to overturn my conviction for criminal harassment, and then obviously any other convictions that stem from that would have to be overturned. And for my ex-wife to get throat cancer and die a slow miserable death. The last part is negotiable. But the other stuff, um, I'm not willing to take down any of or nobody is going to take down any of the proof of any of the corruption that has occurred in my cases or any of the many other…

Dent:

Mm.

Fox:

…cases that you guys keep introducing me to by locking me up in North Fraser and putting me with a bunch of other people who have had similar experiences. Um, and so none of that's going to come down, um, unless the provincial government acknowledges publicly that, uh, I didn't actually commit criminal harassment and that Mark Myhre and Bernie Wolfe are evil miserable pricks.

First, remember: My response here immeidately follows Dent asking the question hypothetically, and me stating everything is hypothetical.

Otherwise, it should be obvious to anyone with an IQ over 80 that I am being sarcastic here. For example, what would Desiree getting throat cancer and dying a slow miserable death have to do with the website being taken down? And me saying that particular requirement is negotiable? How would her getting throat cancer be negotiable? But nevertheless, the Johnson and Dent used this statement against me at the trial, and the judge accepted it. The judge even referred to it in his Reasons for Judgment.

At the trial, Dent and Johnson also misrepresented these statements as me saying I would only take down the website if the BC government overturned my convictions TR 2020-11-26 p13l32-p14l25.

Dent:

What do you think the odds of that happening are?

Fox:

I'd say probably about five per cent.

Dent:

More of a percentage than I would ever give.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Getting a politician to ever admit wrong

Fox:

Oh, no, no. The politician won't be admitting wrong. He'll be admitting that people below him, people so far below him that…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…he couldn't possibly have known anything about it.

Dent:

Naturally.

Fox:

Mm. That they were wrong. Um, whether they admit it or not.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

The proof is there. More proof is coming. I mean…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…there's still a lot more stuff that needs to be put on the website.

Dent:

Yeah. Like what?

Fox:

Mm, can't answer that. Not n-, sorry. I can answer that.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

I'm not going to answer that.

Dent:

Okay, well, like I said…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…speaking the hypothetical here…

Fox:

Yeah, yeah.

Dent:

…um, this is just stuff about that may be posted, not saying that you're gonna post it, but it may be posted.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

And (unintelligible) I'm assuming that only a handful of unknown people have the ability to put things on this.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

Like I'm assuming like you would need a user name and password in order to make alterations or anything to website. Anybody can comment on a website. I saw a number of comments of support, actually, on your website there.

Fox:

Well, even the comments, though, have to be approved.

Dent:

Oh, do they?

Fox:

I do-, oh, yeah, I don't…

Dent:

I do-, I've never created a website before I don't know how it works.

Fox:

Otherwise people would put spam comments on there.

Dent:

Oh. That makes sense. People love to troll.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Um, so, somebody would post, yeah.

Fox:

If there is anybody assisting me with it, it would be somebody outside of Canada.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Obviously I wouldn't, mm, I wouldn't put someone in Canada in a place of trust because then obviously the government is just gonna go after them and…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…squeeze them to take it down.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

And since I'm not from Canada, most of the people that I know are not in Canada.

Dent:

Yeah. They're in the States. Okay. Um, I guess, I'm sure you've seen this very, uh, in-depth, this is your letter to David Eby.

Fox:

Yeah. Wonderful. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Um, I'm neither admitting nor denying that I actually posted that on there.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

Now, there's nothing that prohibits me from writing the letter.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, the probation cond-, well, the probation condition that you're arresting me on doesn't actually prohibit me from putting any further content on the website.

Dent:

Correct.

Fox:

The only condition was that I take it down.

Dent:

Yes.

Fox:

If I take it down and then somebody else puts it right back up, or even I put it right back up…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…24 hours later…

Dent:

Mm hmm.

Fox:

…I've still complied with that condition. So, these…

Dent:

Hey, I'm not gonna argue.

Fox:

…people are lawyers. You would think that they would write these thi-, the, the conditions better, but…

Dent:

Uh, s-, I no-, I once arrested a guy who only ever stole chocolate bars from, uh, uh, London Drugs. His condition, no possess Lindt chocolate bars.

Fox:

Huh.

Dent:

Like you think your conditions are ridiculous? He li-, that's all he ever stole. So, what'd he start doing? He started stealing Hershey chocolate bars.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Couldn't breach him. Caught him all the time now with Hershey, but we couldn't breach 'cause it wasn't Lindt.

Fox:

Right.

Dent:

Like again, our system's messed up. Um, I'm not s-, how do I say this? Uh, the you know, I am gonna actually say that…

Fox:

It's okay.

Dent:

…no, I'm pretty sure you, you posted this 'cause you signed it. Sincerely, Patrick Fox.

Fox:

Well, let me ask you this question.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Let's say, for example, hypothetically…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…let's say if, um, Desiree was maintaining this website.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

Just for the purposes of making my life difficult because of course everybody's going to assume it's me.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Then she's not gonna sign it Desiree Capuano.

Dent:

No.

Fox:

She's gonna sign it, Patrick Fox.

Dent:

Yeah.

I drop a hint that it's actually Desiree who has been keeping the website online, expressly for the purpose of causing me to be arrested and imprisoned.

By making the police and the prosecutors aware of this possibility, they should have, in the least, attempted to verify the hosting provider account information. Namely, who's name is on the account; or the credit card used to pay for it; or the IP addresses the site administrator has been loggin in from. But as you'll see when Dent testified at the trial, they made absolutely no effort to verify any of that information TR 2020-11-26 p16l27-38.

Proving that the police and the prosecutors only focus their efforts on finding incriminating evidence and ignore anything which tends to refute that; not on finding the truth of the matter, was one of my goals in this case.

Fox:

Um or let's say I had written that out on paper.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

And then give it t-, to somebody else.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

And then they posted it…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…on there.

Dent:

Like you said…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…posting on the website isn't illegal.

Fox:

Right.

Dent:

Posting it. The website's still up. That's the breach that you have been arrested for today.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

Yes, there are other conditions. Yes, there's other things that are, that you're bound by the court and everything else like that, but w-, we get that's not here nor there.

Fox:

Right.

Dent acknowledges there are other probation conditions I am still subject to, like Condition 12 of the Justice Holmes order which prohibited me from publishing any material about Capuano. But as Dent says, that's not what I've been arrested for.

If these jackoffs had any sense at all they would have charged me with violating Condition 4 of the Judge Phillips order and Condition 12 of the Holmes order. But they didn't! They only charged me with violating Condition 4 of the Phillips order.

One thing that's interesting about this is that the police could easily have simply added another charge for violating Condition 12 of the Holmes order. But they didn't. And what's even more amazing is that the BCPS did add a second count to the indictment, but in their incredible incompetence, the count they added alleged that I violated Condition 13 of the Holmes order, not Condition 12! Condition 13 was effectively the same as Condition 4 of the Phillips order so Johnson withdrew it at the trial rather than to admit the BCPS is incompetent and changing it to Condition 12.

The only thing better than the incompetence of the people that work for the BCPS is their pride and arrogance which prohibits them from admitting their incompetence. This is not the only time I benefited from their unwillingness to admit they made a mistake.

Dent:

We're talking about the fact that the website's still up, right? Sign this.

Fox:

The thing is…

Dent:

Like…

Fox:

…the thing is if by posting that on there…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…I've violated a probation condition from another probation order and if I were to admit to something like that…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…here now…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…you guys obviously would share that admission with the other agency that would prosecute me for that other violation. So…

Dent:

Which one w-,…

Fox:

…I'm not going to admit or deny anything that could be used in any other cases, either.

Dent:

…yeah.

Fox:

Anyway, it's not gonna matter because my experience has been, um, I'm gonna be found guilty of everything anyway. You take, for example, the thing that I just had the trial for on August 19th.

Dent:

Mm-hmm.

Fox:

Uh, the probation, violating the probation condition of putting the website back online.

Dent:

Yes.

Fox:

Um, the Crown and Det. Fontana both admitted…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…at the trial they have no knowledge of when the website was put back online.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

So, I asked them, well, did it happen before or after probation began? An they said, we don't know

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

Um, so, my submission was, well, it happened before I was released from Fraser. Before the probation began. The conduct occurred outside the period of probation. It can't possibly be a probation violation.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Yeah, and I was found guilty.

Dent:

(Unintelligible)

Fox:

So, um (unintelligible).

Dent:

Well, at least they were, at least they were honest.

Fox:

Oh, yeah, yeah. There's not gonna be anything bad written on…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…any website by or related to me regarding Det. Fontana or, uh, Chris Johnson because as far as I can see, they both conducted themselves professionally.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

I mean, they did their job. That was it.

Dent:

End of the day.

Fox:

It's not that I hate all prosecutors and…

Dent:

Yeah

Fox:

…all, uh, police.

Dent:

Just the first guy.

Fox:

Just, well, no, just the ones that are corrupt.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Just the ones that lie and cheat and destroy evidence and…

Dent:

Meh (phonetic) Um, the only, like I read this. Obviously I printed it out. I read it.

Fox:

Yeah. Notice the date on it?

Dent:

Of course I notice the date on it. August 19th, 2020, 1:53 PM.

Fox:

And when did the probation, the current probation order that your (unintelligible).

Dent:

You have 48 hours to take down the website. This is before that 48 hours. I'm well aware.

Fox:

That is before the probation began.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Therefore it's, uh, it's, that post has nothing to do with the probation.

Dent:

I know.

Fox:

Okay.

Dent:

Uh, sorry, I said from the get go, like you posting this isn't what you've been arrested for.

Fox:

Okay, all right, yeah, yeah.

Dent:

Ri-, an-, I don't wanna lie to you.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

I'm not gonna lie to you, right? Like a), uh, I don't wanna be a corrupt person, uh, but b), like it would just be a disservice to you and it would be a disservice to me. I'm not gonna do that.

Fox:

Okay.

Dent:

Right? So, yeah, the reason why I printed this out…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…is you basically said in court and you have the transcripts…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…uh, you're not gonna take down the website.

Fox:

That is correct.

Ha! But in fact, I didn't say that in court. I claimed earlier (above) that I had said that but in reality I hadn't. I made a false admission.

Why on earth would I falsely admit to something I didn't do? Perhaps to see if the police and prosecutors would then accept it as being a fact? Perhaps to see if the prosecutor would actually try to use the thing I falsely admitted to against me. And sure enough, both the police and Johnson did exactly as I suspected they would.

So, I wonder what would happen if a person made false admissions; then was prosecuted based on those false admissions; then at the trial, on the witness stand, he pointed out how it would be literally impossible for his admissions to be true. Well, that is exactly what I did when I testified at my trial in 244069-8-B TR 2022-02-25 p115l27-37; p119l39-p120l1.

Dent:

Right?

Fox:

And I will never ever in my life, as long as I am a l- well, that's…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…redundant, as long as I'm alive, I will never take down that website.

But keep in mind, at the time of this interrogation, I was not the one keeping the website online; I had no control or influence over the website or the person keeping it online. So by saying I would never take it down means nothing. It was not my website to take down.

And, once the probation orders expire then I would not be prohibited from putting the website back online so it wouldn't matter.

So by saying this I am not incriminating myself at all.

This is marked as strategic because I am, again, deliberately making an ambiguous statement which, given the circumstances, amounts to nothing, it is meaningless; but I anticipate the police, prosecutors, and judges will misinterpret it as me defiantly stating I will not take down a website I was ordered to take down and have the ability to take down. But that is their error because it is based on their false assumptions.

Now, that's not saying the website won't come down because of some other means.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

I mean, maybe some US court will actually issue an order…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…to take it down, but, uh, that's extremely unlikely because that would be a gross, uh, First Amendment violation.

Dent:

Okay. So, what would happen if the website was taken down? Like let's say, let's say the USA does decide, you know what, we're taking down this website.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

He's not even in the States. You don have a First Amendment right, right now. What, what do you think, what would you do if this website was taken down?

Fox:

I'm pretty sure that it would probably resurface on a different hosting provider.

Dent:

The exact same thing or like a different…

Fox:

I'm pretty sure it's already set up with another hosting provider so that it would just be a matter of changing the DNS (phonetic), um, entries.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

You understand that my entire life has been destroyed, right, because of that evil cunt's lies and stuff. Now, see, it's one thing, she can cry and whine that I destroyed her life with this website, but everything on the website is true.

Dent:

Mm.

Fox:

I'm not telling any lies. I'm just informing…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…people of the kind of person she is. My life has literally been destroyed because of her going on the news media and in court and telling a bunch of lies.

Dent:

This made media?

Fox:

What's that? Oh.

Dent:

This made the news?

Fox:

Oh, yeah.

Dent:

I didn't know this made the news.

Fox:

Back in 2016 when…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…she first cried to CBC about how…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…um, I'm doing all this stuff and I'm threatening to go down there and murder her and…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…kill her and all this stuff, and that the authorities aren't doing anything about it. And so then CBC did a story about her and me and the website.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

And then it got picked up as a human interest story, and for a couple of weeks, it was all over the place. And then the Canadian news media hated me because I was critical about them in a few blog posts on there, so they always only ever write anything very bad bout me. Like I'm sure there'll be something in tomorrow's news about me being arrested today, but they don't mention anything…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…of any of the letters or the emails that I send them, saying, well, what about this, or what about the fact that the probation hadn't even begun when that happened? Anyway…

Dent:

I don't think this is gonna make news.

Fox:

You don't think so? It made…

Dent:

Not today.

Fox:

…the trial on…

Dent:

The only reason why I say that is 'cause there were two major incidents that happened…

Fox:

…mm

Dent:

…in the City of Vancouver overnight.

Fox:

Oh, really?

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Did a lot of people die because of COVID? Darn it.

Dent:

Not because of COVID.

Fox:

Oh but a lot of people died?

Dent:

Uh, y-, it'll be in the news. Um, but, yeah, so this, no. This is not gonna make news.

Fox:

Okay.

Dent:

Um, and yeah, if you piss off the news media, they tend to have a very biased opinion of…

Fox:

All I did was pointed out the errors (unintelligible).

Dent:

…their (unintelligible) I mean, sorry, they're true and impartial.

Fox:

Yeah, right.

Dent:

They're, they're true and impartial.

Fox:

Yeah.

Dent:

Um…

Fox:

And fully objective. Yes.

Dent:

…naturally. Of course, of course. Uh, okay.

Fox:

So, anyway, that blog post or that…

Dent:

Mm-hmm

Fox:

…that, is that a, yeah, that is a blog post. Yeah.

Dent:

Yeah, yeah. Do you wanna see it?

Fox:

So, no, no, I'm, I'm familiar with that. I've seen it.

Dent:

Y-, you've seen it.

Fox:

Um, so that blog post is there.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

And, uh, it's got nothing to do with this current charge, so…

Dent:

Yeah, no, you're right. I, I, I've said that from the get go.

Fox:

Yeah, yeah

Dent:

Um, but like said when, when you're given conditions…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…to do something and you basically tell the judge you're not going to do something.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

As you said, you've been waiting for the police to arrest you.

Fox:

Oh yeah. I mean, I was getting kinda nervous 'cause my 30 days at Belkin was running out and I was thinking, well, fuck, what am I gonna do…

Dent:

I've gotta go find a place.

Fox:

…after I leave the Belkin?

Dent:

Yeah, well, on, on one hand, I'm happy we could help. Um, I don't know how the court process is gonna go from here. I don't know if you're goin' back to North Fraser. If you're g-, just gonna be given paperwork. I don't know. Uh…

Fox:

Well, hopefully I'm gonna go back to North Fraser and then the trial's probably gonna be set probably about six or eight months down the road.

Dent:

You're very optimistic.

Fox:

Really? Mm. Just experience.

Dent:

Yeah. You're very optimistic. Usually court happens significantly after, uh…

Fox:

Well, yeah, I guess it depends, um, if…

Dent:

…yeah.

Fox:

…you're, oh, well, this is a probation violation, so it's gonna be in the Provincial Court.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Even though I would prefer Supreme, but Provincial has absolute jurisdiction. But it's gonna depend if the Crown is proceeding by indictment or summary.

Dent:

Yeah. I don't know.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

All, uh, like I said, man, my, my investi-, my knowledge in this investigation was, the other day, I was like, hey, we need you to interview somebody. Just go have a conversation.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

I read the website. I read the post and, like I said, it's, i-, bluntly speaking, it sounds like you have a lot of grievances and that this is your way of, uh, a) letting your grievances out, but b) trying to show people exactly how the system is absolutely messed up. It is messed up and it has ruined you. Um, so, on one hand, I understand that, you know what you need to do something about it. But another hand, uh, and this is just 'cause of who I am, I listen to court orders.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

So if I were told to take down a website…

Fox:

Yeah.

Dent:

…I would take it down.

Fox:

Right. Consider this, if you will.

Dent:

I'm listening.

Fox:

The Crown and the Court are justifying ordering me to take down the website…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…um, claiming that it's for Capuano's protection.

Dent:

Mm-hmm.

Fox:

However, they're refusing to prosecute me for criminal harassment again for the website being back online, which proves that they don't care about Capuano's cre-, or, uh, protection. It's really, they want me to take the website down because it makes them look bad.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

And they can kiss my motherfucking ass and this is gonna be played in court in a few months when the trial goes on, and the judge can watch when I'm saying this, I just don't give a flying fuck. They can lock me up for the rest of my life. I don't care.

I am so incredibly, clearly antagonizing the prosecutors and judges here. If you can't see that you need to get your head checked.

My antagonism of them is deliberate because I need them to prosecute, convict, and imprison me in order to be able to compile the proof of the corruption and injustices going on in the system. I can't claim the system is corrupt if they don't prosecute me and convict me.

You soccer moms out there are probably saying: "Yeah, but you're deliberately antagonizing them. You brought this on yourself." But you're ignoring one critical fact: mocking and antagonizing the government, including judges and prosecutors, is NOT a crime and is NOT a legal basis for prosecuting and imprisoning someone! By doing this, the BC justice system is proving they are no different than China, Saudi Arabia, and Russia - the countries the Canadian government incessantly criticizes for doing that same thing.

My life is over. It's ruined. I haven't had contact with my son since 2016. I'm exiled from the only place that I wanna live. Um, I'm stuck in this fuckin' godforsaken shithole of a country, no offense but…

Dent:

None taken.

Fox:

…run by feminists and angry militants and such. So, I don't care. I don't give a flying fuck.

Dent:

Yeah. You're never gonna take down the website.

Fox:

No, and I'm saying all is for the benefit of the judge who's gonna be watching this in a few months when it goes to trial.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

And I'm saying it to th-, for the benefit of the Crown, so they can all go, oh, this is horrible. Oh, look at this man. He has no respect for the system. He's just got contempt for the system. Fuck off. I'm looking at the camera when I say that. Not you.

Dent:

I know.

Fox:

Okay

Dent:

Hey, I'll be honest. You said from the get go, you have nothing against, uh, the VPD for doin' their jobs.

Fox:

So far, yeah, I've got no issues with you guys. I mean, I've heard stories from other inmates, um, about you guys with your dogs and chewing up people's arms and stuff or like beating the crap out of people. But hey, most of the time they probably deserved it.

Dent:

Uh, now it's my turn to say, I will not confirm nor deny. Uh, okay, uh, I will be right back. Do you need anything in the meantime? Are you good right now?

Fox:

Yeah, coffee and cigarettes.

Dent:

Oh, you know. I hear ya.

Fox:

Yeah.

Dent:

Like I said, I'll see what I can do about the smokes.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Uh, gimme one minute (unintelligible).

Long pause (ends at E.T 00:35:17)

Fox:

Bad stuff bad stuff, bad stuff. I'm saying incriminating stuff. Oh, oh oh, I'm saying stuff that you can use against me right now (chuckles).

Long pause (ends at E.T. 00:38:18)

Dent:

I was tryna track you down some smokes.

Fox:

Mm, thanks.

Dent:

But I, the last time I worked down here in the east side, uh, was seven years ago now. My pass doesn't work on some of the doors. So, um, if there is a BET member that comes in usually they have access. We have a couple smokes upstairs. I'm not gonna promise that I can get them.

Fox:

Of course, not.

Dent:

'Cause they're, and the only reason I say that is 'cause they're very busy today…

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

…with incidents I was talking about earlier. Um, but, if I can find somebody, I'll see about getting you some smokes.

Fox:

Great, thanks.

Dent:

I can't promise a coffee.

Fox:

While you were out, I said a bunch of bad things and incriminating things into the, uh, microphone.

Dent:

Oh, did you?

Fox:

Yes, yes.

Dent:

I'm sure.

Fox:

Fabulous.

Dent:

Yeah. So, I can wrap this up…

Fox:

You'll see (unintelligible).

Dent:

…we're done.

Fox:

Oh, you'll see when you play it back.

Dent:

Uh, am I gonna laugh later?

Fox:

Probably.

Dent:

Okay. M'kay. Oh, man. Um, I'm gonna be as straightforward with you, like I said, as I can. Um, the most importan thing that I can see that you value right now is the truth because you've been screwed over by people who have not told the truth. Am I right?

Fox:

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Dent:

By your ex perjuring herself in court.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

By prosecutors not being completely forthright. Border. By everything. So, like I said, I'm, I'm not gonna lie to you. You're arrested today because the website's still up 'cause you haven't taken it down, right?

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

Um…

Fox:

Although you yourself have admitted that, um, nobody in the VPD actuall has any evidence to support that. I mean, it is still up now.

Dent:

Yeah

Fox:

However, like I said…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…um, if I had taken it down within 48 hours…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…and then put it right back up, I would've complied with the condition.

Dent:

Yeah

Fox:

Because there was no condition that…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…prohibited me from putting it right back up. It just said you must take it down within 48 hours.

Dent:

Can you, like and this is just me not being very technical, technologically savvy.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

Is it possible to take down a website and put it back up l-, uh flawlessly?

Fox:

First of all, what does take down mean?

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

It's a vague term. It's not a technical term. So telling somebody to…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…take down a website…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…is gibberish. It means nothing.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, I would assume they mean take it offline. Make it no longer publicly accessible.

Dent:

Yes.

Fox:

I mean, you can make it no longer publicly accessible by simply going into the htaccess file and, um…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…putting a restricted access so that a person needs to put in a user name and a password to log into it.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

That would accomplish taking it down. Or you could change the DNS entries and then just go and switch them back later.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Or you could just, um, rename the document root directly so that, uh, the web server, um, is looking in a different empty directory, in which case just a blank page will come up.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

So, any of those things could be done to accomplish taking it down.

Dent:

You were in computers before, weren't you?

Fox:

I'm a software engineer.

Dent:

Where'd you work?

Fox:

Uh, I worked at VTech, um for a while until the CBC story ran.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Uh, before that I worked with a Chinese mobile game company that has an office here in Vancouver called IGG. I was working on their server…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…uh, server components. It's not on the, on the game part.

Dent:

N-, on the, the game area stuff or anything.

Fox:

Right. Before that, I worked at Electronic Arts, and then before that, I was in the US. And in…

Dent:

EA? W-, at the office here in the Lower Mainland at EA, or…

Fox:

…yeah, Burnaby.

Dent:

…okay. It's a big company.

Fox:

Yeah. I did, I sorry, I was going to make a comment about my opinion of the position there, but I don't want to speak poorly about a past employer or client…

Dent:

Right.

Fox:

…particularly if it's something that's being recorded and is eventually gonna be on the website.

Dent:

I get it. Um…

Fox:

EA was a great place to work. I as very happy there.

Dent:

…hey, I just like their sport games. Um, okay, so, you, you know a lot about computers. It's safe to say that.

Fox:

Indeed.

Dent:

Okay. And who would, again, have access to your website? Li-, li-, an-, I, I don't need names, but like the website's very specific, right?

Fox:

Is it?

Dent:

It's, what's the website address?

Fox:

desicapuano.com.

Dent:

It's specific.

Fox:

Okay

Dent:

Right? Let's call a spade a spade, right? Who else at this stage really has the same interest as you to post this website?

Fox:

Desiree Capuano has screwed over…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…a lot of people over the years.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

There are lots of people that…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…hate Desiree Capuano. There are lots of people that like to share information…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…to help make her life miserable.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

I'm not alone in this.

Dent:

No.

Fox:

People like her, these evil sociopaths, they go around using people and taking…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…advantag of them. Consider…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…she manipulated and, and defrauded the public with her GoFundMe campaign. Oh, there's lots of people that are pissed…

Dent:

What GoFundMe campaign?

Fox:

She had a GoFundMe campaign before that some feminist on Jezebel (phonetic) pushed her to start.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, so, she started that. I found out about it obviously.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, after I was already, was I already in custody? Yeah, yeah, 'cause it was after I was arrested on the criminal harassmen thing.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, she was goin', well, it's, there's a copy of it on the website.

Dent:

Okay

Fox:

But it's still the original GoFundMe campaign is still there, too. If you Google it, you'll find it. Uh…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…just whining and crying about how, oh, her life is destroyed because of this harassment. Please help me to change all of my public records…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…and start a new life and such. And then she admitted at the trial that the money she gained from that, she actually spent on other stuff unrelated. So…

Dent:

Where'd she admit that?

Fox:

…at the trial.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

Again, the transcripts and the recordings of that…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…are on the website.

Dent:

Again, there was a lot of information…

Fox:

No, I understand, I understand.

Dent:

…on that website. Okay.

Fox:

I don't mean again as in I've already told you (unintelligible) listening to…

Dent:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you've…

Fox:

…I mean, again as in you see…

Dent:

…yeah.

Fox:

…all this horrible stuff that she did is on the website. Um…

Dent:

Yeah. And you, and you've grabbed the transcripts from the court and you've posted it there so that everybody can see that she's defrauding the system.

Fox:

I neither admit nor deny how I obtained the transcripts or if I was the one that put the transcripts on there.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, but…

Dent:

But…

Fox:

…I will say that the transcripts are on the website.

Dent:

…yeah.

Fox:

For the purpose of showing, proving to everybody that…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…she committed at least 81 counts of perjury at the trial…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…that Mark Myhre and Tony Lagemaat knew about and refused to confront her on, and then there were another hundred and 50 or so…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…incidences of perjury that she committed, but that it's reasonable that Myhre and Lagemaat may not have known.

Dent:

Okay. And you suspect that she might be running this website herself?

Fox:

I'm not…

Dent:

Do you think she's smart enough to run this website?

Okay, so it appears he picked up on the hint I dropped earlier.

I believe Dent asked me this because the VPD knew it was Desiree who put the site back online and was keeping it online. I think he's testing me to see if I'm aware of it, or worse, if I have some proof of it. I don't want them to know that I know it was Desiree, because then they would not proceed with the charges. It would be extremely embarrassing for the justice system if I were to produce proof at the trial that it's actually the supposed victim that's been keeping the website online just to cause me to be arrested.

Since my goal, at this point, is to prove the police and the prosecutor will ignore or even destroy evidence that proves a person is innocent, and that they will prosecute and imprison a person even though they know he's not guilty, I need to raise the reasonable possibility that it may be Desiree, without coming right out and saying it is.

Fox:

…oh, she's a twit. She's one of those people that just watches CNN all day and repeats what she hears other sen-, smart-sounding people say and she goes, look, I'm smart. I can repeat stuff. Uh, she's an idiot.

Dent:

So, she likes, she's, she's…

Fox:

I thought she was smart at first, but…

Dent:

…one of those posters that, you know, gets a quote from one source that says they researched it.

Fox:

…yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dent:

Oh, I hate those (unintelligible).

Fox:

But anyway, um…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…I'm not saying that I believe that she's the one…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…that's…

Dent:

Yeah

Fox:

…that's maintaining this website right now.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

I mean, that would just be crazy and delusional and nobody's gonna believe that.

Dent:

No. No, uh, and that's why I was…

Fox:

Mm hmm.

Dent:

…like again, I was gonna be very honest with you there. I don't think that anybody thinks that she's running this website because…

Fox:

Right.

Dent:

…of how defamatory it is against her, right?

Fox:

Yeah, but she's a sociopath. She likes attention regardless.

Dent is completely naive and incorrect about this.

First, it's only defamation if the information is false. No matter what you say (or publish) about someone, and how harmful it is to their reputation, it is never defamation as long as the information is true.

Second, as I point out, Desiree is a sociopath - she wants attention, period. She doesn't differentiate negative or positive attention. She will portray herself as the victim, regardless of the circumstances. Even though the misfortune which befalls her may be completely of her own doing, she will blame it on others.

A perfect example is the fiasco with Gabriel's passport in November/December 2013. She repeatedly refused to apply for Gabriel's passport, until the family court ordered her to; then she repeatedly procrastinated and fucked up, causing the passport to be delayed; then she actually blamed me for it email thread "Re: Assistance from my attorney", 2013-12-02 9:13am, from Desiree (my response); 9:16am, from Desiree (my response).

I mean, consider she does absolutely nothing to get the website taken down.

Dent:

Mm-hmm.

Fox:

Um, she says, when the police or Victim Services people contact her…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…they say, oh, well, you should do this and this and this to try to get the website taken down, and she says, or, and, you should get another order of protection against, uh, uh, Fox. So, she says, oh, yes, yes, I was going to do that. Yes, I'm gonna do that right away. But she doesn't.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

'Cause she doesn't really give a shit. The website really doesn't affect her that much.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Like it's not like she's really losing her job and losing her friends and stuff. At this point, the website is more really about, um, just exposing the corruption up here because she doesn't give a shit about the website. If she did, she'd do something.

Dent:

Yeah. And now, so, do you, would you say that the, the website is now shifting from focusing solely on her to more the corruption up here?

Fox:

I would say that shift occurred probably sometime between January and March of last year.

Dent:

(Unintelligible)

Fox:

When all the R. v. Fox stuff was posted on there.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

I mean, there's been no new information about Capuano other than, I mean, 'cause obviously I'm up here and she's down there and…

Dent:

Yes.

Fox:

…I only have so much money to pay private in-, oh, no, I have no money left to pay private investigators.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, so, I just have to rely on what other people…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…happen to send along. But of course, everything has to be confirmed before it goes on the website. It's important that everything must be true on the website.

In these statements I am certainly suggesting I've been putting new information about Capuano onto the Desiree Capuano website, but not actually stating it.

What's important here, though, is that while I am suggesting I have been adding information about Capuano to the Desiree Capuano website, moments ago I pointed out that there's actually been no information about Capuano added to the site since I've been on probation. Therefore, even if I came right out and said "Yes, I published a bunch of new information about Capuano on the website just last week", that would clearly be a false admission because, in fact, there has been no such updates.

So, even though it seems, here, like I'm admitting to being involved in publishing information about Capuano on the Desiree Capuano website subsequent to my release, I couldn't possibly have done so because such information hasn't even been published! Ah, good times, good times.

If you get caught telling one lie, you lose all your credibility.

Dent:

Uh, as much as I don't like this website, I do respect that. You're not just gonna post…

Fox:

Right.

Dent:

…like her. Right? You're not just gonna get one piece of information and say, oh, that's true, and send it out.

Fox:

Right, right, right, right.

Dent:

You're gonna, at least due diligence, which, let's be honest, let's hope everybody does, uh, but…

Fox:

Uh…

Dent:

…there wouldn't be the R. v. Fox, uh, tab on your website if everybody did do their due diligence, would there? Right? Um, so, are you gonna rename the website from desicapo.com (phonetic) to something against the BC Government then if your shift is focusing from her to…

Fox:

Well…

Dent:

…to the government?

Fox:

…my, my original intention…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…was that I was going to create a separate website for…

Dent:

Yeah

Fox:

…uh, the corruption and all the stuff that happened in my case.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, and keep the desicapuano.com website just about her.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, but because of time and financial constraints when I was…

Dent:

Yeah

Fox:

…setting it up before, um, I decided to keep it together.

Here again it would seem I am admitting to being the one who setup and published the version of the Desiree Capuano website Dent is referring to. Except that:

I was in custody when it was put online and so I couldn't have been the one that put it online;
I say my original intention was to create separate websites for the corruption and for Capuano, but that I decided to keep them together, however that never actually happened - all the stuff about the corruption was published to this website, not the Desiree Capuano site. So I'm describing a version of the Desiree Capuano website which never existed; and
My claim about financial constraints is false because some hosting providers allow you to run multiple websites under a single hosting plan so the cost of maintaining the two sites would be the same as maintaining one.

Just more false admissions. Admissions which the police, the prosecutors, and the judges would have to have known were false because it would simply have been impossible for them to be true.

The other reason I decided to keep it together is because by putting, by exposing the corruption, um, intermingled with the website…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…um, then in order to prosecute me for it again, they would necessarily be exposing their own corruption.

Dent:

Um, and you don't think that's gonna happen because nobody wants to expose themselves.

Fox:

They haven't yet, and every time I go to court I demand that they prosecute me for criminal harassment, and they say, we're not gonna do that. So…

Dent:

Yeah. And why do you think that is?

Fox:

'Cause that would mean a new criminal harassment trial, which…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…means a new jury which means all of the perjury and the misconduct that occurred at the first trial…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…is gonna be shown to the jury. Capuano would have to come and testify. She'd be cross-examined on all of the perjury she committed.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, she'd be cross-examined on her interactions with, uh, Victim Services. Oh, there's a horrible group of people. Let me tell you. Holy fuck. They'll do anything to get people to testify against complainants and stuff. Even, or against, uh, accused parties, even if the complainant doesn't want to. Even if the complainant was lying in the beginning…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…and says, you know what, I lied. Maybe I don't wanna go further with this.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

But (unintelligible) no, no, this is a bad man. No, you've gotta fight against this. Don't worry. You did nothing wrong.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Oh, my God. And then of course they refuse to disclose any of their records. I'v been fighting with them for months and months.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Oh, shit, almost a year now about getting records related to me and they're refusing to admit or deny the records exist. I already have some of the records, so I know they exist.

Dent:

Yeah. Well, there have to be records of everything, right?

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

Um, you've mentioned money a couple of times.

Fox:

Have I?

Dent:

Um, how are you, like are you on financial assistance? Like welfare or anything like that right now?

Fox:

No, I don't qualify for social assistance. While I was out previously, the probation officer told me to apply for social assistance. I said I'm not, I'm not eligible. He said, well, apply anyway because him and the prosecutors have their heads so far up their asses that they look in the computer and it says that I'm a Canadian citizen, so they go, well, it says here that he's a Canadian citizen.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

I mean the fact that he's got a US birth certificate and the fact that IRCC documents say he was born in the US, that's irrelevant. Our computer says he's a Canadian citizen.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Anyway, so, it took about two or two-and-a-half months, um, but they finally denied the application because IRCC told them that I have no status in Canada.

Dent:

Okay. So, right now, you have zero income coming in.

Fox:

That is absolutely correct.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

Previously I still had some credit cards that hadn't expired yet, so I was able to support myself minimally on…

Dent:

A little bit.

Fox:

…some credit cards, but…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…nope, now I am completely destitute and homeless.

Dent:

Okay Um, and if you had money, would you hire a private detective?

Fox:

I'd buy crack and sit in the back alley and do that.

Dent:

No, you're not a drug addict at all.

Fox:

I know. I'm (unintelligible).

Dent:

Again, I spent years around drug addicts. You are not that at all.

Fox:

We have to keep this light, you know.

Dent:

Yeah, no, uh, but would you ever hire a PI to go investigate her?

Fox:

Of course. Of course.

Dent:

Just expose her corruption?

Fox:

I did it before. Yes. I mean, a lot of the information that I got about her before was from a private investigator.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

There's nothing illegal about that.

Dent:

No.

Fox:

Especially since it's in another country. You see, the Canadian courts, the Canadian courts don't seem to understand that they only have jurisdiction in Canada. Prosecuting an American citizen who has a dispute with another American citizen, both parties of which have no ties to Canada at all, is fucking ridiculous to do that in Canada. How 'bout you guys just kick me out of the country. I'll go back to the US, and you can let th US courts deal with it. It's so retarded that they sent me back up here to prosecute me for criminal harassment.

And now some special antagonism specifically for the BC judges. They seem to think they have authority over everything, anywhere in the world.

It would make sense for the BC justice system to prosecute a person who is outside BC if their actions harmed a person within BC. That is, if the complainant is in BC. But for BC government to prosecute a person in BC, for their actions which may have harmed a person in another country, when those actions are not even a criminal offense in the jurisdiction of the complainant is not only ridiculous, it's downright moronic! If anything, I should have been prosecuted in Arizona, according to Arizona laws because that's where Desiree was at the time. But nothing that I did violated any laws of Arizona, so Arizona wouldn't have anything to prosecute me for.

Moreover, since neither mine nor Desiree's conduct violates any Arizona laws, what the BC government has done was to create a situation whereby Desiree can continue publicly saying whatever false claims she wants about me, with impunity, because she's in Arizona; but I cannot say anything about her - I can't even respond to, or defend myself against her claims because I'm in BC! How the fuck is that in any way fair or reasonable?

Dent:

How dare you, sir, make sense? How dare you? Uh, all right. Is there anything else that you think we need to know about the website? Let's just go with that because again, that's why we're here.

Fox:

Yeah. About the website.

Dent:

Right? The breach for the website.

Fox:

Um, well, let's see. I can say that there is a lot more content still, uh, that needs to be put on. It's very time-consuming, though you know?

Notice I say "...that needs to be put on". I don't say "...put on the website". So what am I saying? Needs to be put on what? And even if we assume I meant "the website", which website am I referring to? Granted, earlier I did reference the domain name desicapuano.com, so it may be reasonable for the police, prosecutors, and judges to assume I'm talking about putting a lot more content on that website.

But I don't say when I intend to put that content onto the site. As long as it's done after the probation order expires then there's no violation. Moreover, the probation conditions do not prohibit me from intending to publish any particular material, they only prohibit me from actually publishing the material. So saying I intend to add a bunch of content to the site doesn't violate anything.

And notice also, I don't give any indication of the nature of the content I'm talking about. That is, if the "lot more content" I'm talking about is stuff related to my cases and the corruption that's been going on then that wouldn't violate the probation conditions.

In point of fact, I was referring to the huge amount of content related to the prosecutions against me, and the corruption that's been going on in those cases. And, I was referring to publishing it on this website, not the Desiree Capuano website. And that is exactly what I ultimate did.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

And since I'm broke and destitute and homeless, the people that, you know, share cigarettes with me, I gotta kiss their ass and if they wanna walk over to 7- Eleven and, you know, give me a couple cigarettes well, hey, I gotta go along.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

So, I've not been the most productive, but, uh, there's a lot more content, um, and it's going to go up and locking me up in jail is not gonna stop anything. It's not gonna change anything. I mean, all they're doing is they're, by doing all of this…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…they're showing more and more of a consistent pattern.

Dent:

Yeah. What's that pattern?

Fox:

Um, that they're doing nothing about protecting Capuano…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…yet they're prosecuting me for the website for breaching probation conditions, which means that…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…they're more concerned with enforcing their stupid ridiculous orders…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…than they are with protecting supposed victims that they sent me to prison for three years for, so they…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…can't now say oh, no, no, we don't believe her because then they would be admitting that they sent me to prison incorrectly. Um, shit, what was I saying? I forgot. Sorry (unintelligible).

Dent:

Oh, you were confessing to absolutely everything about (unintelligible) the website and…

Fox:

Oh, I thought so, I thought so. Okay. Let me tell you where I put the bodies of the children.

Dent:

Oh, yeah, obviously. It's always about kids. Um, no, honestly, what you were, my, my last question to you was, uh, is there anything else that I need to know about the website.

Fox:

Oh, yes, yes, okay…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…and I was saying that, yes, there's still a lot more content, um…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…that is going to be published.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, uh, yeah, and, you see…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…well, sorry, I have to think of a way that I could word things that can't be interpreted as saying that I personally did any of this stuff.

Dent:

Mm-hmm.

Fox:

I mean, everybody, of course, is going to believe I did this stuff. Um, but, still…

Dent:

We've been pretty honest with each other…

Fox:

…mm-hmm.

Dent:

…and let's, again, call a spade a spade.

Fox:

It's got nothing to do with you.

Dent:

We can go around…

Fox:

It's got to do with the recordings and the going to jail…

Dent:

…no, we can go around…

Fox:

…or in, in court.

Dent:

…we, yeah, we can, we can go around the bush as much as we want, but let, let's, again, be honest with each other here.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

We know you're the one posting these things because you're signing your name at the bottom of them.

Fox:

Mm. Wait, so, are you saying that if I put that post on there…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…and I had signed someone else's name…

Dent:

Yeah

Fox:

…that would mean someone else did it?

Dent:

Obviously.

Fox:

Oh, thought so. Um…

Dent:

But come on, like I d-, uh, uh, on one hand, I understand why you're saying I'm not confirming nor denying, but I think we can be pretty honest…

Fox:

…for court purposes.

Dent:

…for, for court purposes, but I think we can be pretty honest with each other about that. You're posting these things right? The, the breach isn't the posting, right? Or at least not right now, the breach isn't you posting things on the website. The breach is the website still being there, that we have arrested you for today.

Fox:

Yes, but um…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…there's the other probation order…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…the three-year one that doesn't expire until December 2021.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

That one prohibits me from publishing disseminating et cetera, et cetera.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Any information about, uh, Capuano or any of her friends or family et cetera.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

So, if I were to…

Dent:

But you're posting things now about the court system.

Fox:

…um, but she may or may not be mentioned in any given post. I mean, I can't, is her name mentioned in that post? I don't know.

Dent:

I think, no, I think you were more just a g-, well, maybe about the original file.

Fox:

If it wasn't, mm…

Dent:

But you…

Fox:

…yeah.

Dent:

…no, this is just a vent ab-, to David Eby about the fact that the government and the court system and that, the IRCC (unintelligible).

Fox:

Their refusal to prosecute me…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…is essentially…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…an admission that what I'm saying is true.

Dent:

Yeah

Fox:

I mean, that's the point.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Anyway. Um, so, yes, uh, what you should be aware of is that there's a lot more content.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Anybody who would be helping me are people outside of Canada. Um, you're probably, obviously you're going to go into my phone. You're not getting, I m-, well, I shouldn't say you're not getting it into the laptop. It's extremely unlikely you're gonna get into the laptop. Um, but good luck with that. And if you do, I'd be very surprised and I'd l-, like to let Lenovo know that you guys were actually able to get into it because apparently their security is quite good.

The never did gain access to the laptop hard drive. Although, there was nothing in the disclosure material that gave any indication they even tried. There is no record of the Digital Forensics Unit (DFU) receiving the laptop, or performing an extraction.

The hard drive was locked at the ATA level, so in order to access it they would have had to put it into a ThinkPad and enter the correct password to unlock it (the ThinkPad firmward encodes the password before sending it to the device), or connect it to a system that could try to brute force it. But this would be well beyond the skill level of the VPD's DFU.

The drive had Linux installed, with an ext4 filesystem, so even if the VPD got passed the ATA password, they would need to know Linux. And that, again, would be beyond the skills of the DFU staff.

In a subsequent case (244069-8-B), the VPD seized another of my laptops, which was configured as a dual boot with an 800GB Linux partition and a 200GB Windows partition. They searched the Windows partition (which had nothing on it because I don't use Windows), and they had no knowledge the Linux partition even existed. It didn't even occur to them that it was a 1TB drive but the Windows partition was only 200GB. Yeah, not the brightest folks in the DFU.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, but…

Dent:

If you wanna talk in hypothetical, what would be on there?

Fox:

H-, I'm not even gonna mention anything about that.

Dent:

No?

Fox:

No, no, Um, I'll leave that u-, up to you guys to figure that out.

Dent:

I…

Fox:

Um…

Dent:

…I had to ask.

Fox:

…of course, of course, and what, from what I saw of the…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…what do you call it, the Digital Forensics Unit, from the previous case…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…in their handling of like finding stuff on my phone, they are full of incompetent people who are gonna find absolutely nothing. So…

Dent:

You're not worried at all?

Fox:

…no. Not in the slightest bit. With respect to the phone, you're gonna find stuff in there like my call history and such.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

So, you'll see who I was speaking to and I'm sure you're gonna contact those people and you're gonna try to intimidate them or something, but…

Dent:

I, I don't think I've been intimidating.

Fox:

…I've already…. No, no, not you.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

No. The other, the other people. I mean…

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

…to try to squeeze information out of them.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

But, uh, I've already spoken with everybody and I said, look…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…you guys know me well enough to know that I'm not gonna say anything to the police and I'm not gonna say anything incriminating to anybody, and so…

Dent:

No. Okay.

Fox:

…and of course, I often protect other people, um, by just not giving them information.

Dent:

Yeah. Well, like you said from the get go, like you're just not gonna tell us who's running the website right now, right?

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Um, I don't know.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

Like any part of that side of the investigation. I don't.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

Um, I haven't reviewed the file, like, of anything that was written today. All I know is that they asked me to come down and interview you.

Fox:

Yeah.

Dent:

So, uh, again, last opportunity, is there anything else that you would like to, to have a conversation with me about, uh, regarding the website other than the fact that you will absolutely never take it down. I think you've made that abundantly clear.

Fox:

Yes, I have made that abundantly clear. Yes.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

Um, nah, I don't think that there's anything further. Um…

Dent:

Okay

Fox:

…okay, oh, did the Crown ever find it's, uh, laptop? Apparently they were under the impression that when I was released from North Fraser…

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

…that I took the laptop or something?

Dent:

I have no idea.

Fox:

No? All right.

Dent:

Did you take their laptop?

Fox:

I did not.

Dent:

Okay.

Fox:

There's, they have security and video.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

So you could see me walking out with my stuff…

Dent:

Yeah, okay.

Fox:

…I mean, so…

Dent:

Do you know anyone who would've taken the laptop, or…

Fox:

I don't know. Someone at North Fraser, I guess. I mean it's not like people can just walk in and out of the place.

Dent:

…yeah, okay. Uh, I'm just gonna double check one more time…

Fox:

Yeah.

Dent:

…if there's anything else, but I think we're pretty close to being complete here.

Long pause (ends at E.T. 00:59:57)

Dent:

Okay, there's nothin' else. Uh, I'm going to conclude the interview. The time is 8:41 AM.

Fox:

Okay.

Dent:

Um, so, the audio video in here are gonna be shut off, but so that there aren't gonna be any claims of inducement or anything along those lines, I'm gonna be leaving that on.

Fox:

Oh.

Dent:

Uh…

Fox:

I was gonna say, is this where you guys come in and beat the crap outta me?

Dent:

…no. No, no, no. We, we've evolved since, you know, the early 1900s. Um, so, did you finish your, your bar?

Fox:

I finished it. It was horrible.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Horrible, horrible.

Dent:

Yeah, they're 50 cent bars.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Again, we're on a city budget.

Fox:

I understand. I mean (unintelligible).

Dent:

Um, do you wanna finish your water? Just 'cause we can't log that in with you over, over there. So, if you wanna finish your water. Uh, I wasn't able to find a BET unit to grab you a smoke. I do apologize for that. Uh, I did look. I promise.

Fox:

What is BET?

Dent:

Beat Enforcement Team. Those are the officers that work out of this building that patrol the Downtown Eastside.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Um, it's just beat 'cause it's shorter, but…

Fox:

(Unintelligible)

Dent:

…like said, they've been very busy with events.

Fox:

Sure.

Dent:

Uh, so…

Fox:

So, what happened?

Dent:

…uh, as far as I understand…

Fox:

(Unintelligible) going to be in the news (unintelligible).

Dent:

…yeah, yeah, it's gonna be in the news. There was a homicide just up the road.

Fox:

Oh.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

S-, single?

Dent:

Uh, that, I don't know. I heard rumours it might've been a double, but I do-, I don't know.

Fox:

Uh, got ya.

Dent:

Um…

Fox:

Pretty small number anyway.

Dent:

…Yeah

Fox:

Okay.

Dent:

And then there was another homicide further out in the city, so…

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

…very busy evening last night.

Fox:

Really?

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

And here I am hoping for like millions, but I've just really grown to hate this country and everything about it.

Dent:

See, I don't hate the country. I, I d-, I don't hate the country. I live here (unintelligible) that. I just think that it needs to evolve. I think it's in the past and it needs to catch up with modern day society.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

And that's as politically correct an answer as I can possibly give ya.

Fox:

(Unintelligible)

Dent:

Um, so, if you're, if you're done your water…

Fox:

Yeah, yeah.

Dent:

…what's gonna happen is I'm gonna put the handcuffs on ya…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…and then we're gonna walk back over to the jail. You'll be processed and you get to go through that system all over again.

Fox:

Yeah, yeah. Wonderful. Can't wait to get back to North Fraser.

Dent:

Uh, again.

Fox:

Back to the routine, you know?

Dent:

Yeah, okay. So…

Short pause

Dent:

And those are good.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Awesome. You're gonna have them on for probably a whole whoppin' five minutes here.

Fox:

Mm.

Dent:

Okay? So, come with me. Um, actually, can you just stand right there for two seconds. His effects. Perfect. Okay. Um, so there's a copy of…

?M2:

Hi.

Dent:

Hi.

?M2:

Um, just the…

Dent:

The warrant.

?M2:

…the warrant's in there.

Dent:

Okay.

?M2:

Um, the keys for the locker, they wanted. Um, they have, they're gonna store all your stuff.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

?M2:

Your boxes and all your papers there, okay? And they said there's for-, you have 14 days to get your stuff. So, I don't know how it's arranged or whatever, but they put it all in storage.

Dent:

If you are transported to North Fraser, I think they work with, 'cause i-, it…

Fox:

Oh, I've already made a rangements.

Dent:

…oh, you have?

Fox:

Mm-hmm

Dent:

There we go. Okay. Let's go.

Fox:

I've been expecting that I'm going to be arrested again.

Dent:

Yes.

Fox:

(Unintelligible)

Short pause

Dent:

Where in the States are you from?

Fox:

Uh, born in Florida. Spent all my life in Los Angeles.

Dent:

Okay. It's, uh, those are two very, very big hot spots right now for the, uh pandemic.

Fox:

Uh, the news is full of crap. Most of it's talking about (unintelligible). I talk to people in Los Angeles (unintelligible).

Dent:

(Unintelligible)

Fox:

I talk to people in Los Angeles and they say, oh it's not that big a deal.

Dent:

Yeah?

Fox:

(Unintelligible) blowing it up (unintelligible). It's what they do.

?F2:

Vancouver Jail.

Dent:

Hey, uh, Det. Cst. Dent here. Let me swipe.

?F2:

Okay, thank you.

Dent:

(Unintelligible)

Fox:

Which way?

Dent:

Uh, we're gonna go down here. I get to give you probably, what, a third pat down?

Fox:

Hm.

Dent:

Uh, and then I log you in cells. So, if you can stand just right here facing the wall. Throw some gloves on. So, you don't think the pandemic is as bad as people are making it out to be?

Fox:

Well, first of all, it's not as deadly as, uh, the news has made it out to be.

Dent:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um, there's a huge number of people that have gotten it and haven't had symptoms or haven't had significant symptoms.

Dent:

Mm-hmm.

Fox:

Um, so, no, it's not a big deal at all. It's mostly people that are already sick are the ones that are dying.

Dent:

Uh, you know what? I will agree with you. That i-, does seem to be what the evidence is saying. People with pre-existing conditions…

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Dent:

…are definitely more at risk than people without. Everyone always forgets to check the coin pocket.

Fox:

Ah, yes, the coin pocket. That's where I hide my Beretta.

Dent:

Not Beretta, but I've pulled out a significant amount of drugs outta that pocket.

Fox:

Okay.

Dent:

But again, that I'm not worried about you havin'. You mind lifting your hands up a little bit. The handcuffs set off the machine.

RECORDING ENDS

Transcribed By: VA5430 / 2021-11-25

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