VPD Interrogation of Patrick Fox (2019-06-24)

Fontana:

Today is June 24th at about 1:40 PM. And I am Det. Jennifer Fontana, 2671. And I'm here with Det. Blain Christian, 2187. And we are at North Fraser Pretrial, uh, going to conduct an interview with Patrick Fox, in relation to VPD File 19-49074.

Christian:

I was wondering how they did the video before.

UM:

Last name?

UM:

Uh...

UM:

What's your last name?

UM:

Good day.

UM:

How are ya?

UM:

I'm all right for an old guy. (Unintelligible) Fuck.

UF:

O'Malley (phonetic)?

UM:

Yes.

UF:

Are you my change room officer?

UM:

I am.

UF:

Ah, I have work for you.

UM:

All right.

UF:

I have a (unintelligible) for some guy's stuff, phone's been going bananas.

UM:

(Unintelligible) right now?

UF:

Well, I have all the information up here.

UM:

Oh.

UF:

But when you don't answer it, it comes to me.

UM:

Oh, (unintelligible).

UF:

(Unintelligible), I have, I may have answers.

UM:

Do we have (unintelligible)?

UF:

I have one, (unintelligible).

UM:

Fox, over here.

Christian:

Are you Patrick?

Fox:

Oh, yes, Patrick Fox.

Fontana:

Hi, Patrick.

Fox:

Hello.

Fontana:

I'm Det. Fontana and this is Det. Christian.

Fox:

Sure.

Fontana:

We're with the Vancouver Police.

Fox:

Yes, and I know your name.

Fontana:

You know the name?

Fox:

I sent you a letter.

Fontana:

You did. I got it. So, I know that you're aware that you're subject to audio and video recording when you're in police custody, right?

Fox:

Sure.

Fontana:

Okay. And as you know, as I know that you know, in your letter, you mentioned you're aware that I'm investigating you for criminal harassment and breach of probation.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

And, uh, I'm here to talk to you about that today, but I wanna give you the opportunity to contact a lawyer before you talk to me. Is that something you would like to do?

Fox:

Nope. Um, is this being recorded? I would prefer...

Fontana:

It is.

Fox:

...it is. Good.

Fontana:

Yes, absolutely.

Fox:

Where is (unintelligible)?

Fontana:

Right here.

Fox:

Okay, great.

Fontana:

Yeah. Okay. So, like I said, my name's Det. Fontana, but you can call me Jen (phonetic). Um, what do you prefer to be called? (Unintelligible)...

Fox:

Det. Fon-.... No, I'll call you Det. Fontana and you can call me Mr. Re- (phonetic), or, uh, Mr. Fox, sorry.

Fontana:

Okay. Sure.

Fox:

I mean, we're not quite on a first-name basis...

Fontana:

Absolutely.

Fox:

...yet.

Fontana:

Yeah, that's why I like to ask 'cause I don't wanna call you Patrick if you don't wanna be called Patrick, so Mr. Fox it is.

Fox:

Because it's my understanding you're probably here to try to see if maybe you can charge me with something with respect to the website and...

Fontana:

Well, I, yeah, I'm like, I'm...

Fox:

I mean...

Fontana:

...here...

Fox:

...if that's the case, that puts us in adversarial roles and so...

Fontana:

Of course, absolutely. Right? And...

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

...and like I said, I, I am investigating the website and...

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

...I'm investigating your role in the website, but I'm here to talk to you about that.

Fox:

Okay.

Fontana:

Um, 'cause you, you, you did write me the letter. I just got it today, so I haven't...

Fox:

Really?

Fontana:

...been ignoring you. Yeah, our, isn't our mail system great? (Chuckles)

Fox:

Hm.

Fontana:

Um, so I wanted to see what you had to say to me 'cause you took the time to write me a letter.

Fox:

Well, um, I can't remember exactly what I said in the letter...

Fontana:

I have...

Fox:

...but, uh...

Fontana:

...a copy of it. Would you like to read it?

Fox:

Oh, sure.

Fontana:

Okay.

Fox:

But, um, clearly, I know that with what is on the website right now, the proof of Capuano's perjury, her excessive perjury at the first trial and the collusion between Myhre and Lagemaat, etcetera, if there was going to be a new trial, she'd be cross-examined on all of that perjury, she'd have no, um, credibility, because of it, it would be very unlikely that they'd be able to get another criminal harassment conviction, but then that's going to raise questions about how could there have been a criminal harassment conviction at the first trial and not at the second if they're based on the same conduct? And essentially...

Christian:

Right.

Fox:

...the same evidence. So, then that will call the system into disrepute. But then there's the problem if you guys don't prosecute me or charge me and then prosecute me for criminal harassment, all the militant feminists and such that hate me so much for the original website are gonna be screaming about, oh, why aren't you prosecuting this guy? You already convicted him once, so clearly it was criminal. Um, and then of course, there's the problem of, if you charge me with probation violations but not the criminal harassment, then it looks like you're not taking Capuano's claim seriously and that you're more concerned with enforcing petty court orders than you are with her safety. Unfortunate.

Fontana:

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Fox:

Oh, okay, so, I mentioned about that in here, yeah.

Fontana:

Mm-hmm.

Fox:

Okay, wonderful. Oh, yeah, and then there's the misconduct on the part of Holmes (phonetic), but that's a whole other issue. (Chuckles) I mean, it should be obvious from this point, it seems the prosecutors don't quite get it, but it should be obvious, I would think, that one of my goals here is to bring the system into disrepute. I mean, there was no criminal harassment in the first place when you look at all of the evidence, when you look at the emails back and forth between Capuano and myself, it was not me just harassing her and without being provoked or anything, but, uh, Lagemaat and Myhre colluded to keep most of those emails out of the trial and.... And then, of course, nobody confronted her on any of her perjurous testimony at the trial. (Clears throat) So that's how they were able to get the conviction at first criminal harassment trial.

Fontana:

Okay. Yeah, see, I wasn't sure, I know you had mentioned the perjury, but, uh, you...

Fox:

Oh, it's all on...

Fontana:

...(unintelligible)...

Fox:

...the website, you've seen the website.

Fontana:

I have seen the website, yes. There's quite a bit to read on there though.

Fox:

The HTML versions of the transcripts of Capuano's testimony, which are all on there...

Fontana:

Yes.

Fox:

...um, I don't know if you've, uh, noticed, but there's parts that are highlighted in red. Those are the parts where she was committing perjury and Lagemaat and Myhre.... Lagemaat was the lawyer forced on me to do the cross-examination. Myhre was...

Fontana:

Right.

Fox:

...the, uh, prosecutor. So, the part highlighted in red are where she was committing perjury and they knew that it was perjury because the proof was on the website already. Um, if you click on there, it shows a comment, I'm not sure if you were aware of that, there...

Fontana:

You know...

Fox:

...(unintelligible), there's a...

Fontana:

...I'm not sure, I'll have to go and...

Fox:

Something...

Fontana:

...take another look.

Fox:

...at the top where it says if you click on these red parts, then it'll show the comment, uh, explaining where the evidence was, proving that she was committing perjury.

Fontana:

Right.

Fox:

Anyway...

Fontana:

Someone's not happy out there.

Christian:

No.

Fontana:

Um...

Christian:

Just don't wanna close that other door 'cause it's got that big ugly lock on it.

Fontana:

Yeah, and then we'll be locked in here, that'd be...

Christian:

Yeah.

Fontana:

...no good. (Chuckles) Um, so, I understand, like I'm just wondering what, how is the website up and running? Like what, how is that even happening?

Fox:

Are you asking how is it physically possible or...

Fontana:

Yeah.

Fox:

Well, there's a hosting provider and there was a hosting plan purchased with that hosting provider and then the relevant content was uploaded using RCP, I believe, it was. But anyway, uploaded to the website, uh, DNS entries were made with the DNS registrar and that's it.

Fontana:

Okay.

Fox:

Oh, and then, of course, it was registered with Google, Bing, etcetera, so that that their web crawler would, uh, search and index it.

Fontana:

Right, so if you Google it, that's how it pops up? I'm, I'm not very internet-savvy myself, so I, I don't know much about it.

Fox:

Um, I'm not sure what the status of it is in Google. At this point, because it became publically accessible and registered with Google just a couple of days before I was arrested.

Fontana:

Okay.

Fox:

And so I know, as far as I know from firsthand knowledge, uh, when, the last time I did a Google search for anything that was on the website, it came up maybe 40th or 50th in the search results.

Fontana:

Okay.

Fox:

Now, it might come up higher, I don't know.

Fontana:

Right. So...

Fox:

Are you trying to get me to...

Fontana:

No...

Fox:

...say something along the lines...

Fontana:

...I'm just gonna, I'm gonna ask you...

Fox:

...of I...

Fontana:

...all right, are you...

Fox:

...put the stuff on there or...

Fontana:

...did you, did you create this new website? Des-, www.desicapuano.com?

Fox:

Did I create the website? Um, yes, I published all of the information, I published the website.

Fontana:

Okay.

Fox:

By doing that, I violated the probation conditions, the civil injunction, and if the website can be found to be criminal harassment, then it would mean that I would be guilty of that as well.

Fontana:

Okay. Can I ask you reasons for, for creating it after you went through, I know you went, like, so you created the first one...

Fox:

Yeah.

Fontana:

...back in 2016. And then you were convicted of criminal harassment for that. And then you, you got released December 30th...

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

...2018. And here we are...

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

...Mar-, early March. And the new website pops up.

Fox:

Well, first, it took some time to make all the updates and it's...

Fontana:

Right.

Fox:

...very time-consuming generating these, uh, the transcripts or the HTML versions of the transcripts and making the other updates to the site. Um, so, as for why I would put the website back online.... 'Kay, you know that we have a child together, right? A child that she abandoned when he was a year and a half, a child that I raised by myself for nine years. And then she comes along, out of the blue, grabs him, runs off to another state and tries to get custody based on a false allegation that I'd been hiding, hiding him from her for nine years. When that didn't work, then she starts calling Homeland Security to try to get me deported from the US. Eventually, I do get deported, I come here to Canada, I lose custody of him, and then she starts making it harder and harder for me to have any contact with him until eventually, she completely cuts off contact. At this point, I've had no contact with my son since 2016. So, as for why, um, because she took my child away from me.

Fontana:

Okay.

Fox:

Um, because she took my child away from me and because somehow, she's able to just shed a few tears and everybody completely forgets all the horrible stuff she's ever done and takes her side completely and it's just, it's baffling that everybody can just completely ignore all the bad things that some people do simply because they shed a couple of tears and pretend to cry.

Fontana:

(Unintelligible)

Fox:

So the goal of the website is to make it publically known the bad things that she has done so she can't keep hiding behind this façade of being this sweet, caring, loving person that she's really not. I mean, a, a sweet, caring, loving person doesn't take a child that she's had nothing to do with for nine years and run away to another state and force him to live with people he doesn't know.

Fontana:

Right.

Fox:

Anyway, that's my opinion.

Fontana:

Yeah, no, I...

Fox:

Um...

Fontana:

...I can't imagine what that would feel like...

Fox:

And...

Fontana:

...a (unintelligible).

Fox:

...as for the new content that's on there about my case and all of the, uh, RCMP reports and the transcripts and...

Fontana:

Mm-hmm.

Fox:

...the audio recordings and all of that, the purpose of that is to expose all of the corruption and the misconduct that occurred in my case. Um, and to make it known that the only reason that I was convicted, uh, of criminal harassment was because there was collusion and such.

Fontana:

Okay. Well, I appreciate you being honest with me.

Fox:

Sure.

Fontana:

Do you...

Fox:

I'm, uh, I'll, I'll tell you, I'm not concerned with being charged with criminal harassment at this point, that's part of my goal, that's, that's what I want is to be charged with criminal harassment and that means there's gonna be another trial.

Fontana:

Right.

Fox:

Capuano is likely not gonna come here and testify because she knows there's all this proof of all this perjury she committed. And in Canada, perjury's a much more serious offence than it is in the US. Um, most likely, she's not gonna be convicted or charged with perjury, but still, if she comes here, she knows she's gonna be cross-examined on it. And my goal would be for a new trial for her to come, uh, cross-examine her on that, obviously, she'll have no credibility, I'll be acquitted, and then I'll show everybody, look, this is your justice system.

Fontana:

All right.

Fox:

And then maybe, hopefully, one day, I can get deported back to the US (unintelligible).

Fontana:

Right, 'cause you're, you said you're an American citizen, right?

Fox:

And I've provided more than enough evidence to support that on the website. I've got a Florida birth certificate, um, IRCC stated in writing and in the recordings of the phone calls, I'm sure you heard them, as did CBSA, that I'm not a Canadian citizen, that I have no status in Canada. Um, I'm not eligible for MSP or any kind of government assistance, so I stay in Canada, I'm stuck living in homeless shelters, which is why in March, I got fed up and decided, oh, to hell with this, I'm going back to the US.

Fontana:

Right.

Fox:

But first, I gave the court an opportunity, I went, I had a couple of hearings to try to remove the condition that I not leave British Columbia and then Justice Holmes comes out with this ridiculous thing about, uh, this evidence is non- sufficient for me to conclude that you're not a Canadian citizen, she said.

Fontana:

Okay. Sounds like a really frustrating ordeal for you...

Fox:

It is.

Fontana:

...this whole thing.

Fox:

It is. I'm a software engineer, I make a very good, uh, very good living as a software engineer, but I'm not allowed to work in Canada. If I work, I'm breaking the law, thereby violating probation, so I can get arrested and come back to jail. And I can't go back to the US because then Homeland Security is gonna hold me until the Canadian authorities issue a warrant and then bring me back to Peace Arch and give me to the RCMP.

Fontana:

Which has happened.

Fox:

Yep.

Fontana:

(Unintelligible), right. Okay.

Fox:

So...

Fontana:

All right then. Well, um, I, I don't, I can't offer you any advice on how to deal with all of that 'cause...

Fox:

Right.

Fontana:

...that's...

Fox:

That's okay.

Fontana:

...(unintelligible)...

Fox:

Another part of my goal is to expose that as well, to show like how ridiculous this is, that I was deported to Canada, IRCC clearly acknowledges I'm not Canadian, um, yet they allowed Homeland Security to deport me here and now, IRCC is saying I'm not, I'm not Canadian, I'm not admissible, and that if I leave the country, I won't be allowed back in. CBSA is saying the same thing, but then when Homeland Security says to CBSA, oh, we have this guy take him back, and then they go, okay, okay.

Fontana:

Right. Okay. Well, I have a couple of things there.

Fox:

Sure.

Fontana:

Um, as you know, I have your, your cell phone and your tablet. I know you were requesting for, to get them back.

Fox:

Sure.

Fontana:

Um, so, I, I actually have written a warrant to go into those 'cause I don't think I would be doing my job if I had them...

Fox:

Yeah.

Fontana:

...and didn't, and didn't go into them.

Fox:

You don't need a warrant, I'll give you whatever you need to go into them...

Fontana:

Oh.

Fox:

...and get...

Fontana:

I already wrote it, but what I was...

Fox:

Oh.

Fontana:

...going to ask is I have this, um, extension request to, to keep, um, to h-, keep the items and...

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

...you would have to go before a justice or I have this consent form that I created just for you to sign, that you're okay if you give me consent to keep those items.

Fox:

Okay, and...

Fontana:

And what I, if you, if you're not comfortable with giving consent, I have this, which is an application for further detention of the items.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

Um, so if you don't wanna sign the consent form, which you're not required to do at all...

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

...um, we can have a, a hearing where I explain to the justice why I think that I would like to keep the items because...

Fox:

Hm.

Fontana:

...I haven't executed the warrant, I can't execute the warrant, our techno-, Technological Crime Unit has to execute them. And, uh, they haven't done that yet. So this, um, just is, we would go before the justice and I would say, I need them because I haven't executed the warrant yet. And you would have your opportunity to say why you want me to give them back.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

But, um...

Fox:

Let me ask you, on here, it says, 'til September 24th, 2019, um, if you finish your investigation prior to that, and I get released from custody prior to that date. Uh, is it possible to get them back at that time? I'm...

Fontana:

Absolutely.

Fox:

...just thinking in terms of convenience, like, the tablet, I'm not overly concerned about, the phone, (unintelligible) I am because I like that phone and that model and they don't make it anymore, um, but I don't think that phone would work with the US car-.... Oh, maybe. I don't know. Anyway, um, I'm not concerned about anything that's on the phone or the tablet, because...

Fontana:

Right.

Fox:

...obviously, there's nothing on there. You're gonna find that when you...

Fontana:

Okay.

Fox:

...go on it. Um, and all of the other storage devices, I don't really care about those.

Fontana:

Okay.

Fox:

Um, the phone, uh, I mean, the phone is the biggest deal because I'm thinking, jeez, when I get released from custody here, I'm not gonna have a phone because they have my phone and then I'm gonna have to buy one, except I don't know if I'm gonna have access to any financial resources when I get out, so...

Fontana:

Right. Okay. Yeah, no, if, if we have gone through, if it's, if it's been executed...

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

...and I no longer need them, I would absolutely release them to you.

Fox:

Um...

Fontana:

Perfect.

Fox:

...{********} is the password for both devices.

Fontana:

Okay, uh, sorry, {********}?

Fox:

No, {********}.

Fontana:

{***}-...

Fox:

{***}...

Fontana:

...{***}.

Fox:

{**}-{**}-{**}-{**}-{**}.

Fontana:

Perfect.

Fox:

It's, uh, {***********************************}.

Fontana:

Okay.

Fox:

It's a computer thing.

Fontana:

(Chuckles)

Fox:

Now, let me ask you, getting access to the device, does that, like the warrant that you would be seeking, is it only access to the device and what is contained on the devices? Or does that, are you also seeking access to any online accounts that you might be able to access through the device? Say like my Gmail account for example.

Fontana:

Um, you know, I'm not certain on, I believe it would just be things that were on, anything that was saved on the device.

Fox:

Yeah, okay.

Fontana:

As far as I'm aware...

Fox:

Right, right.

Fontana:

...at this point. Um, yeah, base-, like...

Fox:

I mean...

Fontana:

...like...

Fox:

...you're more than welcome...

Fontana:

...like I said...

Fox:

...to have access to my...

Fontana:

...I appreciate...

Fox:

...mail (unintelligible) and...

Fontana:

Uh, you know what, and I probably shoulda just asked before I wrote the warrant, so.... You never know, right? Um...

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

...like I said, I just don't think I would be doing my job if I didn't go, i-, if I have those devices and I didn't go into them...

Fox:

Right.

Fontana:

...um, so, uh, that's, yeah, I appreciate you signing this, 'cause that will, that will just expedite the whol-, the process, so I don't need, I don't need to give this to you because we won't have to have the hearing...

Fox:

Sure.

Fontana:

...'cause you gave consent, so, it simplifies the process a little bit. Do you have any, do you have any questions for me?

Fox:

Um, not really yet because I don't know how you're intending to proceed.

Fontana:

Right. Well, I, I will be forwarding, um, charges of criminal harassment and breach of probation...

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

...for the, the new website and the uploading of the, the legal documents as you, 'cause you, when you were given those documents to self-represent, you signed, uh...

Fox:

Uh, yes, but as I've been saying, um, the documents, the documents which are the same as the documents received through disclosure were obtained through other sources, not through disclosure. Um, there would've been no way physically that I could have copied them from disclosure because, and...

Fontana:

But they've still been published.

Fox:

Oh, yes, but regardless, um, I was only precluded from publishing them, um, from publishing material that I received through the disclosure process. I was very explicit when the, um, when the judge made the order in a provincial court, uh, to not, make sure that it doesn't include anything received from other sources because my concern was that the Crown would be able to effectively prohibit me from publishing anything at all by simply putting a copy of it on the disclosure...

Fontana:

Right.

Fox:

...hard drive.

Fontana:

Okay, well...

Fox:

So...

Fontana:

And that, and that's for Crown Counsel maybe to...

Fox:

Mm.

Fontana:

...to decide 'cause, uh, like I said, as you know, the police in BC, we don't lay charges, we recommend charges and then the Crown Counsel's the one that actually lays, um, the charges...

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

...so, all I can do is write my report and say, this is the evidence that I have, um, and then they, they take it from there, so...

Fox:

Okay.

Fontana:

Yeah. So...

Fox:

You don't happen to know which Crown it's gonna be assigned to you yet, do you?

Fontana:

I don't. No, I'm not sure.

Fox:

Okay.

Fontana:

They don't usually tell us ahead of time, but whoever, maybe whoever's working that day? Um, I have been, I've been speaking with Patti Tomasson.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

But I don't know.

Fox:

And in the course of your investigation in this matter, have you spoken with Capuano?

Fontana:

Yes.

Fox:

Okay.

Fontana:

Yes.

Fox:

And any mention of my son?

Fontana:

What do you mean? Any m-.... Like in my report?

Fox:

I've had.... Well, no, no, you were speaking with Capuano, I mean, is he still alive? How's he doing? Um...

Fontana:

You know, I didn't...

Fox:

...is he still with her? I mean, he's 18 now, so...

Fontana:

Right. I didn't...

Fox:

...I don't know if he's...

Fontana:

...ask that, but I can...

Fox:

(Unintelligible) his last year of high school, so, (unintelligible)...

Fontana:

I can look into that for you if you'd like and get...

Fox:

Well, sure, I mean, I'm curious if he's seen the new website because, obviously, he's seen what's been in the news media, which was completely one-sided. Um...

Fontana:

Mm-hmm.

Fox:

...and he's heard whatever Capuano's been telling him, which is, of course, one- sided.

Fontana:

Right.

Fox:

Um, and so, I'm curious if he's seen the proof that's on the website now that proves that she was lying about all of this stuff.

Fontana:

Right.

Fox:

Anyway...

Fontana:

If you'd like an update on his wellbeing, I can definitely look into that for you.

Fox:

Yeah, I'd appreciate that.

Fontana:

For sure, I can do that. Blain?

Christian:

No, I think that's everything.

Fontana:

That's everything? Awesome.

Fox:

Any idea how long all of this is gonna take before, uh, you'll forward all this to the Crown and...

Fontana:

Um...

Fox:

...you know?

Fontana:

...it will t-, it will be a bit. Um, I know you have a court date coming up in August.

Fox:

Yes, that's the trial for the leaving British Columbia violations. Most likely, that'll probably be delayed until, I don't know, September or something?

Fontana:

Right. Yeah, I'm hoping, I'm hoping to have it done relatively soon, but the, it takes time unfortunately, and, uh...

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

...this process doesn't move quickly.

Fox:

Hmm. And in the course of your investigation, have you looked into, at all, any, mm, recent social media activity related to the website or, mm, stuff that's been in the news?

Christian:

We can't actually tell you a lot about the investigation prior to disclosure, but, uh, when Crown does get a package, they'll disclose it to your defence counsel and, and you'll have it all there.

Fox:

I'm representing myself. I'm aware...

Christian:

Oh, okay...

Fox:

...(unintelligible).

Christian:

...perfect. Yeah, so, and unfortunately, we're sort of still in the middle of it, so we can only tell you so...

Fox:

In...

Christian:

...much.

Fox:

...the middle of it?

Christian:

Well...

Fox:

It seems pretty cut and dry. Y-...

Christian:

Well, we're...

Fox:

Did you publish this stuff? Yes, I did.

Christian:

Yeah.

Fox:

Um...

Christian:

We're pretty much done, but we, we can only tell you so much, right?

Fox:

Okay.

Christian:

I know it's a pain, especially when you're self-representing...

Fox:

It's...

Christian:

...'cause it's, it's...

Fox:

...it's not a pain.

Christian:

...yeah.

Fox:

Um, okay.

Fontana:

Okay.

Christian:

Any other questions?

Fox:

Yes, why did the RCMP, um, push this off to you guys?

Fontana:

Uh, I believe because at the, when they realized that the website had, the second website had been created, you were believed to have been staying in Vancouver.

Fox:

Mm-hmm.

Fontana:

Um, so, therefore, it becomes a Vancouver file.

Fox:

But then why didn't they push off the other probation violations about me leaving British Columbia because I was living at the Yukon, or staying at the Yukon at that time as well.

Fontana:

Um, because they didn't happen in Vancouver.

Fox:

They didn't happen in.... So me failing to report in Vancouver while I was living in Vancouver didn't happen in Vancouver?

Fontana:

Well, that one might, that's probation, that's not...

Fox:

Right.

Fontana:

...that has nothing to do...

Fox:

And...

Fontana:

...with that, so that's, that's a separate breach be-...

Fox:

Mm.

Fontana:

...from your probation officer, but the crossing of the border...

Fox:

Happened in Surrey...

Fontana:

...happened in Surrey.

Fox:

...not Burnaby. So shouldn't they have pushed that off to Surrey?

Fontana:

That, I can't...

Fox:

Pretty suspicious.

Fontana:

...(unintelligible).

Fox:

I believe I mentioned.... Well, yeah, all right. Okay.

Fontana:

I don't have that answer, I'm sorry. Yeah. All right.

Fox:

Sure.

Fontana:

Cool. All right, well, thank you for taking the time to, uh, to meet with me. I really appreciate it and I will definitely look into, um, how your son is doing. And if I...

Fox:

Sure.

Fontana:

...hear anything back, I will get a message to you.

Fox:

Um, can you tell me if you spoke with, uh, say, like my friend Liz (phonetic) Munuz (phonetic) in Los Angeles?

Fontana:

I have not. Should...

Fox:

Oh.

Fontana:

...I?

Fox:

No. I mean, you can if you want to, it's just, uh...

Fontana:

I, I noticed on your, on your, um, your note there, that looked like a little bit of a, a to-do list for the website that...

Fox:

Sure.

Fontana:

...it said, for Liz, on the top.

Fox:

Yes.

Fontana:

So is she helping you with the website?

Fox:

I'm not going to comment on that, but, uh, I would say no. I mean, she wouldn't have the technical, um, capabilities anyway.

Fontana:

No.

Fox:

Intellectually.

Fontana:

Okay. Are any updates happening right now to the website while you're in here?

Fox:

Not to the best of my knowledge.

Fontana:

Okay.

Fox:

But there's gonna be lots to update when I get out.

Fontana:

(Chuckles) Okay. Fair enough. Okay. All right. Well, I think we'll just leave it at...

Christian:

(Unintelligible)...

Fontana:

...that then.

Christian:

...uh, 2:15 PM.

Fontana:

2:15. Okay, and we will conclude the interview.

Fox:

Wonderful.